# (77) Sam Altman, OpenAI in conversation with Peng Xiao, G42 at GITEX GLOBAL 2025 - YouTube
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热起来。热起来。热起来。热起来。[音乐]
**English / Original**
Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. [Music]
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[音乐] 热起来，[音乐] 就在这里。[音乐]
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[Music] Heat [Music] up [Music] here. [Music]
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[音乐] 现场热起来。[音乐] [音乐] [掌声] [音乐] 欢迎回到 Expand North Star 第二天的活动。
**English / Original**
[Music] Heat up here. [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] Welcome back to day two at Joy Explo.
## 00:02:31
**中文**
大家好吗？欢迎回来。今天的精彩就在这里发生。听说那些传闻了吗？朋友，你听到那些窃窃私语了吗？昨天，这个舞台凭借众多演讲嘉宾成为 GITEX Global 的热门话题。政策界、公共部门和私营部门齐聚一堂，共同讨论未来。而今天，我们要讨论 AI 在其中扮演的角色。我知道大家都是来看 Sam Altman 的，对吧？不是来看我的。所以我马上让出舞台。我叫 Matt C.
**English / Original**
How are you? Welcome back everyone. This is where it's happening today. Did you hear the rumors? Did you hear the rumors, my friend? The whispers. Yesterday, this stage was the talk of Jitex Global with the speakers. We had policy, public sector, private sector, all coming together to talk about the future. Now, today is the day we're going to talk about AI's role within that. And I know you're all here to see Sam Alman, right? Not me. So, I'll move on in just a second. My name's Matt C.
## 00:02:58
**中文**
Smith。和昨天一样，我将担任本舞台主持人。向大家致以最热烈的欢迎。这里确实是大家相聚的地方。在今天正式开始、各位头脑中装满精彩信息并开始做笔记——包括记在心里——之前，我想给大家一个小挑战：问问自己，今天希望从 GITEX 获得什么？对我而言，怎样才算成功？为今天设定一个明确意图，你的一天就会卓有成效。成功是什么样子？请想一想，我稍后还会回来。朋友们，今早的议程马上继续。现场已经有了笑声，大家也正结识新朋友。这正是——
**English / Original**
Smith. I'll be the host of the stage as I was yesterday. Warmest of welcomes. This really is the meeting place. And I want to challenge all of you with one thing just before the day kicks off, just before your minds are filled with amazing information, and you're taking notes, mental notes as well. Just ask yourself this. What do I want to get out of Jitex today? What does success look like to me? Set an intention for today, and your day will be successful. What does success look like? Think about it for a second and I'll be a little on a little bit later. Listen friends, we're going to roll on with the program this morning. We got laughs already. You're getting to know new people. That's what
## 00:03:30
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这个舞台的意义。和身边的人打个招呼吧。现在先进入今天的第一部分。Sam Altman，我不再让大家久等。接下来将由出色的 Amandeep 主持，她马上登场。不过首先，让我们再播放一段视频。什么是“智能电网”？它是作为超级公共事业提供的智能。
**English / Original**
the stage is about. Say hi to a neighbor. But first, we're going to roll on with the first part of today. Sam Alman, I won't hold you back anymore. Presenting all of this going forward will be the wonderful Amam Deep. She'll be on in just a moment. But first, let's roll another video. What is the intelligence grid? It's intelligence as a super utility.
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它是我们针对真正重要问题提出的解决方案。它把 AI 转化为实际影响，让曾被认为不可能的事情成为可能；它拓展人类智能，以负责任的方式加快进步；它改变我们的生活、工作、医疗和连接方式，让日常生活更加美好。欢迎来到智能电网。[音乐] 各位阁下，愿你们平安。
**English / Original**
It is our solution to the problems that matter. It converts AI into impact to achieve what seemed impossible. It advances human intelligence. It accelerates progress responsibly. It transforms how we live, work, heal, and connect. It builds a better everyday. Welcome to the intelligence grid. [Music] Assalamu alaikum your excellencies,
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女士们、先生们，欢迎来到 GITEX Global 2025 这场独家主旨对话。我叫 Amandeep，很高兴和现场各位优秀观众一起主持本场活动。很高兴在阿联酋的中心地带看到这么多熟悉的新老面孔。唯一令我遗憾的是，我们只有 30 分钟。因此不再赘言，现在开始。请以热烈掌声欢迎 G42 集团首席执行官肖鹏。
**English / Original**
ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Jiteex Global 2025 and this exclusive headline session. My name is Amandep. I'm thrilled to moderate this session with you all, our wonderful audience. Wonderful to see so many familiar faces and new faces meeting here in the heart of the U.A. UAE. My one complaint is that we've only got 30 minutes on the clock. So without further ado, let's kick off. Please give a warm Jite Global 2025 welcome to the group CEO of G42, Pang Chiao.
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[音乐] 没错。肖鹏，以及现场尊敬的各位观众，现在请让掌声传遍全球，因为 OpenAI 首席执行官 Sam Altman 正从旧金山实时连线。[掌声] 请落座。很高兴能从这里开始。肖鹏，如果我不首先提到这件事，那就是主持失职：自从上次在 G42 极为成功的年度峰会上见到你以来，真是非凡的——
**English / Original**
[Music] Absolutely. Ping and my esteemed audience. Now, let's ensure that your applause reaches across the planet because beaming in live from San Francisco is the CEO of Open AI, Sam Olman. [Applause] Please take a seat. It's wonderful, wonderful to get beginning here. Now paying it would be remiss of me in my duties here to not begin by saying since I last saw you for G42's phenomenally successful annual summit. Wow, what a
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一年。
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year.
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G42 入选《时代》全球最具影响力百家公司榜单，而且是第一家总部设在阿联酋并获此殊荣的阿联酋企业。>> 非常感谢。很高兴再次回到 GITEX——这个从迪拜起步、如今全球领先的科技会议平台。成为百家之一很特别，但成为唯一一家更特别。不过真正该祝贺的是我的朋友 Sam Altman——Sam Altman 博士。他最近获得了穆罕默德·本·扎耶德人工智能大学颁发的首个荣誉博士学位。
**English / Original**
G42 named in Times list of the hundred most influential companies in the world and the very first company in the UAE headquartered here in the UAE. >> Thank you so much. What a pleasure to be back here at Jitec again. The global premier technology conference platform that started right here in Dubai. Being one of a hundred is pretty special, but being one of one is even more special. The real congratulations go to my friend Sam Multim, Dr. Sam Multim, who recently received the first ever honorary doctorate degree at MBZ University of Artificial Intelligence.
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>> 完全正确。Sam，我们会延续这份喜悦，不过先快速欢迎你参加 GITEX Global 2025。太好了，他已经和我们连上线了。肖鹏，让我们回到去年达沃斯的场景：你当时提出了“智能电网”概念。转眼来到 GITEX Global 2025，我们正在谈论“AI 原生社会”。这一切听起来很有未来感。请结合阿联酋正在发生的事情，为这些词赋予更具体的含义。
**English / Original**
>> Absolutely. and Sam, we're going to continue with that celebratory note, but just a very quick welcome to Gitex Global 2025. Fantastic. He's on board with us, Pang. Now, let's set the scene back in Davos last year. You coined the intelligence grid. Fast forward to Jitex Global 2025. Here we are talking about AI native societies. It all sounds very futuristic. Let's put some meaning behind those words and let's use the context of what's happening here in the UAE.
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>> 你用了一个关键词——“未来感”。此刻我脑海中思绪飞奔：AI 原生真的是未来，还是已经成为现实？如果你有机会参观我的董事长 Sheikh Tahnoon 在阿布扎比海边的新家，会看到一座美丽的日式建筑群。Sam 去过，他可以告诉你，这座全新的日式宅邸不到一年就建成了。之所以交付得如此之快，是因为整个设计——
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>> You use the key word here um futuristic. My mind is racing right now. Is being AI native really future or it's already present? If you ever get a chance to visit the new home of my chairman, Hisa Shitan, you will be witnessing this beautiful Japanese architecture on a compound by the sea in Abu Dhabi. Sam's been there and he'll tell you this brand new Japanese compound was built in less than one year. The reason why it
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都是由董事长亲自向 ChatGPT 提示约 500 次完成的。我没有开玩笑，这是真的。除了这座由 ChatGPT 设计的阿布扎比宅邸，如果你去董事长办公室，也不会看到太多员工，因为在那里工作的 AI 智能体与人类员工比例是十比一。
**English / Original**
was so fast in delivery is because the entire design was done with him personally prompting Chachi PT 500 times to design this home. And I'm not kidding you, it's real. In addition to this chachipe designed compound in Abu Dhabi, if you visit the office of my chairman, you won't see too many employees because there's a 10 to one ratio of AI agents working in his office.
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所以我认为，未来今天就已经到来。如果你的家由 ChatGPT 设计，为你工作的智能体比人还多，那么 AI 已经降临，并成为我们日常生活不可分割的一部分。>> 完全正确。既然你说 AI 已经到来，我想我们也都受邀去参观董事长办公室了，对吧？
**English / Original**
So I think the future is here today. If your home is designed by chbpt, if you have more agents working for you than humans, AI has already arrived and integral part of our everyday life. >> Absolutely. As you say that AI has already arrived and I believe that we've all been invited to the chairman's office. So yes, please to this.
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>> 非常欢迎。>> Sam，现在请你加入讨论。介绍你时还有一项不能不提的数据：据最近统计，ChatGPT 每周活跃用户达 8 亿，约占全球人口的 10%。相信现场很多人也贡献了这个数字。你曾说，AI 已经从人们拿来玩一玩的东西，变成了人们用来创造和构建的工具。
**English / Original**
>> You're most welcome. >> Sam, let's bring you in now. And again, it would be remiss not to introduce you by saying 800 million weekly active users at the last count of chat GPT. We're talking around 10% of the world's population. Many people here, I'm sure, making up those numbers. You've said AI has gone from something people play with and now to something people build with.
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那么我们就来谈谈：AI 如何从一种工具变成我们 DNA 的一部分。过去几年，我们确实看到它不再只是人们偶尔使用的工具或玩具，而成为大家赖以提高生产力、完成工作的东西。我认为这段旅程仍处于非常早期。Codex 今天已经让人们完成了非凡的事情，而未来一两年，这种能力会以远大得多的规模展开。
**English / Original**
So, let's talk about that as AI as a tool to now as AI as part of our DNA. It it really does feel like in the last couple of years we've seen this become something that people have found out how not just use as a tool but as as a toy but something that they depend on to be productive and work and I think we're still very early in that journey and we will see people really do remarkable things like are happening with Codex today but at a much broader scale in the coming one or two years.
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>> 好，未来一两年——稍后我们还想听你详细谈谈。肖鹏，我刚才请你结合阿联酋的情况提供背景。现在请具体介绍 Stargate UAE，而 OpenAI 当然是其中关键合作伙伴。>> 没错。如果允许我先把视角拉远一点，回到“AI 原生”这个话题：在我看来，实现这一使命需要四个主要因素，其中之一当然是遍布全球、类似 Stargate 的基础设施。但一个国家要成为 AI 原生，最重要的第一点是——
**English / Original**
>> Okay. in coming one or two years and we want to hear more about that in just a moment. Pang, I did ask you to set the context of what's happening in here in the UAE. Stargate UAE, let's put some flesh behind those words. And of course, a pivotal partner is Open AI. >> Absolutely. If I can zoom out for just one moment, going back to being AI native, in my mind, there are four major factors to succeed in that mission. One of them definitely is Stargate like infrastructure around the world. But first and foremost for a nation to be AI native.
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**中文**
必须拥有强有力的政治领导，推动力要自上而下。对于希望成为 AI 原生的政府，AI 不能只是议程前二十项甚至前十项之一；它必须进入前三，甚至成为国家政府的第一优先事项。顺便说一句，我认为这也正是 Sam 及其团队在 OpenAI 发起“AI for Nations / AI for Countries”计划的原因。在阿联酋，我们拥有前面谈到的这种领导力。
**English / Original**
You have to have a strong political leadership. The pushing to come from top down. AI cannot be for a government who want to be AI native to be one of the top 20 agenda items or top 10 agenda items. AI need to be top three, maybe even top one of the government agenda for the country. By the way, this is why I believe Sam and his team started AI for nations, AI for countries initiative at OpenAI in the UEE. We have that leadership as we discussed earlier.
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第二，需要教育全民、教育整个社会。最近，我们与总统 Sheikh Mohamed 殿下进行了一次很好的讨论。当时我们颇为自豪地向他汇报，MBZUAI 已推出人工智能本科项目。他说，这很好，但还远远不够：你们教育的是大约 18 岁到 30 岁的人，因为学校也有博士项目；而我希望把起点降到 7 岁、终点扩展到 70 岁。因此我们现在正启动“7 到 70 岁”计划，旨在——
**English / Original**
And second, you need to educate your population, the entire society. Recently, we had a great discussion with his highness Shikh Muhammad, our president. when we were very proudly presenting to him that MBZ University has launched a undergrad AI program he said that's pretty good but not good enough you guys are educating people from the age of maybe 18 to maybe 30 because we also educate people uh in the PhD program as well at MPUI he said I want to go down to the age of seven go up to the age of 70 so we're now launching the seven to 70 program to
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让整个社会学习并拥抱 AI。第三个要素就是你提到的基础设施。我们非常自豪，Sam 的团队今年 5 月决定把阿联酋选作 Stargate 首个国际站点。Sam 最近还与 Jensen Huang 宣布了 10 吉瓦建设计划，随后又与 Lisa Su 宣布 6 吉瓦计划。我想就在昨天，Sam 又宣布了与 Broadcom 合作的另一个 10 吉瓦计划。我们很自豪能参与这项全球——
**English / Original**
educate the entire society to embrace AI. The third element is what you mentioned infrastructure. We are so proud that Sam has team decided back in May of this year to make UAE the first international site for Stargate development. I'm sure you also uh Sam has announced recently with Jensen a 10 gigawatt buildout program and soon after a six gigawatt buildout program with Lisa Zoo. I think Sam yesterday you announced another 10 gigawatt program with Broadcom. We are so proud to be part of this global
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**中文**
基础设施建设，为 OpenAI 在 Stargate 上建设 1 吉瓦项目，并可扩展到 5 吉瓦。最后，社会成功实现 AI 原生的第四个因素是全球合作。任何国家、公司或个人都无法独自完成此事。这正是我们今天与 Sam 同台、作为全球合作伙伴来到这里的原因。
**English / Original**
infrastructure buildout to have a one gigawatt program for OpenAI on Stargate expanding up to five gigawatt. And finally, the fourth factor for sui success in AI uh being AI native as a society is global partnership. No country, no company, no individual can do this alone. And this is why we're here sharing the stage with Sam as a global partner.
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>> 这句话很有力量：我们无法独自完成。Sam，请谈谈 OpenAI 与阿联酋的战略合作，为何它对你们如此关键。我们认为，每个国家都需要制定 AI 战略；正如肖鹏所说，这必须成为国家领导层的最高优先事项。Sheikh Tahnoon 是我多年的私人朋友，阿联酋领导层在这方面的表现令人惊叹。我希望这能成为其他国家的范例，让世界看到一个具有前瞻性的国家真正拥抱 AI、宣布 AI 将成为自身未来重要组成部分时是什么样子。我们很荣幸能够——
**English / Original**
>> Really powerful words there. We cannot do this alone. Sam, that strategic partnership that OpenAI have with the UAE, give us an insight why that's been so critically important for you. Look, we we think every country is going to need to have an AI strategy and as Pang said, it's got to be a top priority for national leadership. Uh Shay Taknun has been a personal friend for a long time and the leadership of the UAE on this has been incredible to see. I hope that this will serve as an example for the rest of the world about what it looks like for a forward-thinking country to really embrace AI and say this is going to be an important part of our future. And we are honored to get to
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成为其中的合作伙伴。我希望很快会看到更多国家这样做：把 AI 带给全体公民、所有政府流程和整个经济。能够与政府合作推进这项建设，而且达到如此高水平的基础设施投资规模，我们感到非常振奋。你还提到要更具包容性、让更多国家参与。肖鹏提到了你们正在合作的不同公司、投资与协议。现场坐满科技界和不同行业的领导者，大家很想听你的个人判断：你如何选择合作而不是竞争？毕竟在许多领域，你们本可与这些公司竞争。为什么——
**English / Original**
be a partner for that. I I I hope that this this is something we will see a lot more of very soon where countries say we're going to bring AI to all of our citizens, all of our government processes, our entire economy. Um, and the opportunity to get to build this out in partnership with the government and it's such a high level infrastructure investment is is awesome to us. And as you mentioned there about being quite inclusive and bringing in a lot more nations and countries, Ping mentioned the various um companies that you're collaborating with all those investments and deals. give us an insight there in terms of why that's happening, why you choose to make those investments and
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这样做？>> 肖鹏提到的一点也是我很喜欢的：这项事业确实需要全球经济中的各类合作伙伴共同参与，包括技术栈不同层级的众多公司和许多国家。我们这样做，是因为大家都相信 AI 会给全球人民、给这些国家的人民带来巨大益处；但这绝不是我们任何一方能够独自完成的事情。
**English / Original**
also because we have a room full of leaders of technology and across different industries. It's great to get your personal insight. How do you make the distinction of collaborating and not competing because you could compete with many of these other companies in so many areas? >> A thing Panga that I love is this this really does take the kind of the partners for the entire economy of the world together. It's many companies at many levels of the stack, many countries altogether. And we're doing this because we all believe AI will be awesome for the people of the world and the people of these countries. But this is not anything any of us could do alone.
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**中文**
>> 又回到这句话：我们无法独自完成，需要众人共同努力。肖鹏，请谈谈阿联酋的愿景已经推进到什么程度。G42 是阿联酋在全球 AI 革命中定位自身的核心力量，也在推动阿联酋加速经济多元化，从石油转向科技产业。
**English / Original**
>> Again, those words, we can't do this alone. It takes a village. Pang, give us an insight in terms of how far the UAE has come in their vision. G42 is central to the UA positioning itself in terms of the AI global revolution and also the acceleration of the UA's economic diversification from oil to the technology sector accelerating that.
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**中文**
>> 谢谢这个很好的问题。要说阿联酋走了多远，其中最重要的进展其实是思维方式的变化。我仍然认为，世界上大多数人尚未充分理解：AI 不只是另一种可以等到自己方便时再部署的技术；AI 是我们如今都必须拥抱的一种新生活方式。
**English / Original**
>> Uh thank you for this great question. I think how far you is come the single most important aspect of this progress is really in the mindset. I still believe majority of the world has not fully comprehended yet. AI is not just another technology that you can wait to deploy the time of your choosing. AI is a new lifestyle we all have to now embrace.
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**中文**
顺便说一句，我很喜欢 Sam 最近在 MBZUAI 接受荣誉学位时说的话。他给学生两条建议，而我认为它们同样适用于希望推进 AI 应用的国家。第一条，我记得 Sam 说：“人生不是线性的。”
**English / Original**
Uh I love what Sam said by the way recently when he was giving a talk at MBCUI receiving his honorary degree. He gave two pieces of advice to the students at our school. Uh and these are equally good advice I think for nations as well as they look to progress on AI adoption. Number one I remember Sam said life is not linear.
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**中文**
“要拥抱指数式增长。”阿联酋相信，AI 不会只是逐步改变，而会加速并颠覆我们周围的一切。阿布扎比现在有一个名为 TAMM 的应用；懂阿拉伯语的人知道，TAMM 就是“办妥了”。这一款应用把阿布扎比一千多项政府服务整合进同一个系统。用户可用 90 多种语言直接与其语音交流，办理从护照续期到缴纳——
**English / Original**
Embrace the exponential. UEE believed that UEE believed that AI will accelerate not just gradually transform but disrupt everything around us. When you think about it, there is a application today in Abu Dhabi called TAM. Those who know Arabic TAM simply means done. It's done. This one single app has collapsed over 1,000 government services in Abu Dhabi into a single system where you can verbally communicate in over 90 different languages and get what you need from passport renewal to paying
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政府费用等各种事务，而系统由 ChatGPT 提供支持。因此我们认为，只有彻底拥抱这项技术并相信其全部潜力，才能充分利用它。Sam 给学生的第二条建议是：不要把赌注撒得太开，要把坚定信念集中在少数几件大事上。阿联酋正是这么做的。
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government fees and it's powered by CHBT. So we believe only when you fully embrace this technology and believe in its full potential can you make the most use of it. The second advice that Sam gave the students was do not spread your bets. Concentrate your conviction on a few big things. That's again what UEI is doing.
## 00:17:17
**中文**
大家可能知道，我们正最大限度发挥能源体系优势，集中政治体系力量，建设国家级 AI 能力，为整个社会服务。我认为，这些指导原则对学生有用，对政府领导层也同样适用。>> 你说的这些务实建议既适用于应届毕业生，也适用于 AI 行业和今天聚集于此的全球领导者，具有普遍意义。现在让我们继续谈具体行动：当 AI 能力和服务正在建设——
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you may know maximizing our energy sector, maximizing our political system to focus on build building out national scale AI capabilities to serve the entire society. I think these are the guiding principles equally good for students and also for government leadership >> and I think those practical bits of advice as you say that are equally applicable to new graduates as they are to the AI industry and global leaders gathered here today they are universal and let's take some of that practical takeaway advice now when we speak about AI capabilities and services being built
## 00:17:58
**中文**
并广泛普及时，政府、机构、企业和个人究竟应该怎么做？Sam，稍后也请你回答。>> 我们刚与合作伙伴 OpenAI 再次推出了一个名为“AI for Countries”的项目。我刚才提过，它的理念是把前沿模型的庞大脑力——已经达到爱因斯坦级别，事实上像是一群爱因斯坦——引入社会各层面、为整个社会服务。我们正在绘制一张具体路线图，研究这类前沿模型——
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and widespread exactly what should happen what should be the move for governments, institutions, for companies, for individuals. And then Sam, I'm going to bring you in on this as well. >> We just launched a program once again with our partner Open AI um called AI for countries. I mentioned earlier the idea there is that you take this massive brain power of a frontier model which is already at the IQ level of Einstein in fact a collection of Einsteines and begin to adopt that to serve the different layers of entire society. We actually are mapping out how this frontier model
## 00:18:39
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如何承担服务全社会所需的不同职能类别，从医疗等最基本需求开始。例如，我看到包括 Cleveland Clinic 在内的一些医疗行业同事今天也在现场；他们正使用 AI 进行医学影像诊断，再一路扩展到网络安全。
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can specifically fill in the different categories of functions required to serve entire society from the bos most most basic needs of health care. For example, I see some of my healthcare colleagues here today in the audience including Clement Clinic. they are here to use AI for medical imaging diagnostics all the way to cyber security.
## 00:19:04
**中文**
所以这已不再是一个技术项目，不是像我刚才所说，买一套软件再针对某项具体需求部署。它是一种强大的新型“超级公共事业”；只有敢于想象宏大、站在社会尺度思考，才能释放全部潜力。G42 数千名工程师正与 OpenAI 数百名工程师在全球合作，把这项超级公共事业应用到整个社会层面，包括这里的阿联酋。
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So this is no longer a technology initiative where as I mentioned earlier you buy a piece of software and go deploy for a specific need. This is a new powerful super utility whose potential can only be unleashed when you imagine big when you think big at a societal scale. So our engineers in the thousands with open air engineers in the hundreds are working around the world right now to take the super utility and apply it at the society societal level here in the UEE.
## 00:19:44
**中文**
>> 好，一项应用于社会乃至全球层面的超级公共事业。Sam，对于我们已经看到、并且很快还将看到的现实影响，你怎么看？>> 我认为我们正开始看到它真正加速。今天最好的例子是 Codex 对软件工程的改变：个人工程师乃至整个企业的生产力，都达到前所未有的水平。如果我们把这一幕想象到每一种知识工作、科学本身，以及——
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>> Okay. a super utility applied at a societal level at a global level. Sam your perspective on this on that realworld impact that we are seeing now and can be seeing very soon. >> I I think we are really starting to see this accelerate. The the best example I could give today is what codeex is doing for software engineering where you see individual engineers or whole enterprises now super more productive than they've ever been before. And if we imagine this for every kind of knowledge work, if we imagine this for science itself, if we imagine this for
## 00:20:23
**中文**
大规模部署 AI 智能体从事知识工作的公司所带来的显著经济增长，就很容易看出它将对整体经济产生怎样的影响，久而久之甚至可能产生更宏大的影响。我知道 AI 科学和科学进步是你非常关心的领域，也是你设想 AI 未来应用的关键。请详细谈谈。
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you know significant economic growth by imagining companies that have deployed mass scale AI agents doing knowledge work, I think we can easily see the impact this will have on the economy as a whole and maybe something larger than that over time. And I know AI science and scientific progress is really dear to your heart and is key to where you see the future application of AI. Let's have you elaborate on that.
## 00:20:53
**中文**
>> 这是我个人认为最重要、也最令人兴奋的事情。我可能会被证明是错的，也许还有影响更大的事；但我相信，科学进步是人类经济长期可持续发展的首要决定因素。也许我们会发现比它更重要的东西，也许某项我们已经知道的事其实更重要。不过，GPT-5 首次取得了非常微小但确实真实的科学突破，这令人十分振奋；我们一路走来一直在等待的就是这一刻。
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>> That is the thing I personally think will be most important and is most exciting. I may prove to be wrong. There may be other things that are bigger deals, but I'm a believer that scientific progress is the high order bit of long-term sustainable human economic progress. Now maybe we find something that's even more important or maybe it turns out that something we already know about is more important. But the fact that for the first time GPT5 is making very small but but real scientific breakthroughs is quite exciting and the thing we've been waiting for this whole time.
## 00:21:25
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>> 完全同意。Sam，我忍不住注意到你身后的照片。肖鹏和我也都热爱太空，所以让我们同时把视角提升到宇宙、也落回地球。科学进步正是未来重大突破和令人期待之处的核心。>> 百分之百同意。今天在场、曾经和现在仍与我共事的人都知道，我喜欢用“外部空间”与“内部空间”的对照来比喻人类的科学进步。
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>> Absolutely. So I can't help but notice your photographs behind you Sam. Ping and I we share an enthusiasm for space as well. So let's bring it both to the universe level and to the planet level. scientific progress really that's at the heart of the really key breakthroughs and excitement that we can look forward to >> 100%. Um those who are here today um who work with me and still working with me uh know that I love to make this analogy about human science progress uh in this contrast of outer space and inner space.
## 00:22:01
**中文**
我们探索外太空时当然需要自主决策，因为航天器距离太远，人类无法实时控制；它们必须在陌生的新环境中当场做决定。同样重要的是，我前面谈到医疗，也就是深入人体、探索我们的“内部空间”。正如我们最近讨论医疗时说到的，一个朋友曾提出一个有趣观点：衡量外部空间时，速度和距离尺度是 10 的 12 次方——
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Uh for sure when we go explore outer space we need autonomous decision making because humans cannot control those spacecrafts uh so so far away uh in real time and they have to make decisions on the spot in strange new foreign territories in the global in in outer space of the world. Equally important, I touched on health care earlier, is going deep inside our human body to explore our inner space. As you and I discussed recently about health care, it's funny, a friend of mine said this before, when you measure the outer space, it's measured in 10 to the power of 12 uh in
## 00:22:44
**中文**
而观察内部空间时则是 10 的负 12 次方。两者其实代表了我们能够、也需要探索的同等跨度。我相信 AI 有潜力解锁外太空探索的科学；但更重要的是，它能在地球上帮助我们理解生物学。我认为这是我们需要聚焦的新前沿。
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terms of speed and distance. And when you look into the inner space, it's 10 to the power of minus 12. That's actually the same distance we can explore. we need to explore. I believe AI has a potential to unlock the science of alter exploration, but even more important right here on Earth to help us understand biology. I think that's a new frontier we need to focus on.
## 00:23:10
**中文**
>> “内部空间”和“外部空间”这个概括非常有感染力；两者并行推进，正是我们期待并赞赏的进步。谈到并行协作，你常说我们要成为共同创造者。Sam，你也谈过社会与技术必须共同演化。请从这种更具包容性的表述展开。
**English / Original**
>> And I really think that's such a poignant um way that you capture this, the inner space and the outer space that both in parallel, that's the progress that we're looking for and applauding. In terms of in parallel, you often speak about being co-creators. Sam, you've talked about society and technology having to co-evolve. Let's look at that more inclusive language.
## 00:23:37
**中文**
通常人们以为，技术会突然降临社会，然后社会只能作出反应。但根据我的全部经验，实际运行方式是一个共同演化的系统：技术向前走一点，社会随之改变；技术再改变，社会又进一步改变。两者来回互动，不能用技术的一次性投放或社会的一次性适应来概括，而是一种共同演化的过程。
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I I think the common conception is that technology just drops onto society and society has to react. But the way this works in all of my experience is that it's a co-evolving system where technology goes a little bit further. Society changes, technology changes, society changes more, and there's like a back and forth that wouldn't be represented by a single drop of technology or a single adaptation of society, but it but it is this sort of jointly evolving process.
## 00:24:12
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我认为这种方式稳定得多，对每个人也好得多；某种程度上，这也体现了我们经营 OpenAI 的方式。>> 肖鹏，这又呼应了你最开始的回答。你在第一个回答里就直面了房间里的大象——就业和岗位替代；你提到董事长办公室里 AI 智能体与员工十比一。Sam 刚才则谈到共同演化。
**English / Original**
And I think that's way more stable and way better for everyone and does sort of represent how we try to run OpenAI. >> And Ping, that brings sound that brings in Ping's very earlier um answer. You addressed the elephant in the room in your first answer there talking about jobs and jobs replacements. You talked about the 10 to one in the chairman's office there. Sam speaking there about co-evolving.
## 00:24:38
**中文**
然而，一想到自己会不会被取代，人们仍有焦虑甚至抗拒。我们就成熟坦率地直面这个问题吧。>> 这是一个深刻而且极其重要的问题。如果我现在说自己有答案，那是在骗你。我没有答案，也许 Sam 有。但阿联酋社会相信，应对这种未知的最佳方式是去尝试、去实验。与此同时，我们仍然坚定地把人置于这场 AI 革命的中心。
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We still do have this paranoia, this reluctance when it comes to thinking, are we going to be replaced? Let's just address that. Let's be grown up and address that. >> It's a profound and and very important question. Um, if I was tell you right now, I have an answer to it, I'll be lying to you. I don't have an answer. I think maybe Sam does, but we as a society here in the UAE believe the best way to address this unknown is to try it, experiment with it. And we still absolutely put humans at the center of
## 00:25:19
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因此你没有听我说，我或董事长的办公室已经不需要人类。恰恰相反，我们有优秀员工和合作伙伴共同工作，只是今天每个人都得到十比一规模的 AI 智能体放大。这已经为我们带来强大的生产力提升。不过我确实相信，当某天出现强大的超级智能后，可能还会有其他风险需要处理。我认为，最好的方法仍是不断尝试和实验，尤其对于政策——
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this air revolution. This is why you didn't hear me saying that my office or my chairman's office no humans anymore. Instead, we have great employees and partners working, but they are amplified today 10 to one through AI agents. This is a powerful productivity boost today for us. However, yes indeed, I do believe one day as we get the colossal super intelligence, uh there may be additional risks we need to uh address. I think again the best way to deal with that is to try to experiment and especially as policy
## 00:25:58
**中文**
制定者和政治领导者而言，与其只在理论层面讨论、交给智库研究，不如现在就在家中、办公室和社会规模上亲自试用 AI。在抵达超级智能之前就开始适应、调整，并主动管理潜在风险。你提到了 ASI，即人工超级智能，这正好让我把话题转给 Sam。今年夏天你写了一篇精彩博文《温和的奇点》，标题十分耐人寻味，也许可以解释一下。我想引用你的——
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makers and and political leaders rather than talking about this in theory and and addressing this in think tanks is to try AI out right now in your home in your office at societal scale before we reach super intelligence and begin to adapt and adjust and and and proactively manage this potential risk. So you mentioned there ASI, artificial super intelligence. That's a perfect segue for me to bring in Sam on this point. You wrote a wonderful blog post this summer, the gentle singularity. A very intriguing title. Maybe we could unpack that as well. And if I may quote your
## 00:26:39
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原话：“2025 年，能够完成真正认知工作的智能体已经到来，计算机代码的编写方式将从此改变。2026 年，我们很可能看到能够发现全新洞见的系统。2027 年，我们可能看到能在现实世界执行任务的机器人。”请展开谈谈。>> 我想，如果能回到五年前，向 2020 年的人展示 2025 年的 AI 系统，他们会觉得这简直疯狂，完全无法相信。他们还会说，如果这是真的、如果这些系统——
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words to you, 2025 has seen the arrival of agents that can do real cognitive work. Writing computer code will never be the same. 2026 will likely see the arrival of systems that can figure out novel insights. 2027 may see the arrival of robots that can do tasks in the real world. Expand on this, please. >> I I think if we could go back in time five years and show the people of 2020 what the air system of 2025 would look like, it would seem insane. We just wouldn't believe it. And we would also say that if it were true and if these systems
## 00:27:20
**中文**
真的存在，那世界一定会变得非常疯狂。然而我们已经身处其中。正如肖鹏所说，这些系统在某些狭窄方面已经达到爱因斯坦级别，世界却仍大体照常运转。我认为这在许多方面很美好；但同样令人惊叹的是，我们如今拥有如此聪明的 AI，所有人却已习以为常。这就是我当时想表达的重点。
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existed then the world would have to be very crazy. And yet here we are. We do have these as Pank said Einsteinian level systems in some small ways and the world is just kind of continuing on. I think it's beautiful in many ways, but it is remarkable that we have such smart AI now and and we've all gotten so used to it and and that was the point I was trying to get across.
## 00:27:51
**中文**
>> 你还说过，2025 年出生的孩子可能永远不会比人工智能更聪明。我很喜欢你的这些话，既精准又发人深省。我可以再引用博文中的一段吗？“能够制造其他机器人的机器人，以及某种意义上能够建设其他数据中心的数据中心，距离我们并不遥远。”机器人制造机器人，这正是大家听后会摸不着头脑的事情。
**English / Original**
>> You've also said a kid born in 2025 is unlikely to ever be as smart as artificial intelligence. I love your quotes. They land perfectly but also are very thoughtprovoking. May I quote another part of your blog post? And robots that can build other robots and in some sense data centers that can build other data centers aren't that far off. I think that's the thing that we're all kind of like scratching our head about robots building other robots.
## 00:28:20
**中文**
>> 是的。先说第一点：我的孩子出生于 2025 年，我认为他永远不会比 AI 更聪明。但我丝毫不认为这会妨碍他获得幸福或成就感。这对我们来说有点陌生，可对他而言，这将是他一生唯一熟悉的世界。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. I mean on on the first part point like I have a kid that was born in 2025. I don't think he'll ever be smarter than AI. I don't think that'll get in the way of his happiness or fulfillment at all. It's sort it's it's sort of like sort of strange and also sort of to him like it's the only world they'll ever know.
## 00:28:40
**中文**
我认为，我们忽略了这对超级智能的到来、乃至人类处境意味着什么。至于机器人制造其他机器人，行业经常讨论能够开展进一步 AI 研究的 AI，却很少讨论能够建设其他数据中心的数据中心，或能够制造其他机器人的机器人。
**English / Original**
And I think we've lost sight of how of what this says about the arrival of super intelligence and and certainly the human condition on the robots building other robots. I I think the industry talks a lot about AI that can do other AI research but very little about data centers that can build other data centers or robots that can build other robots.
## 00:29:00
**中文**
我认为这一点必须牢记。>> 对这类对话而言，这确实至关重要。正如你指出的，关注这一点的人还不够多。因此我们也以能在 GITEX Global 开展这些艰难却尖锐的讨论为荣。肖鹏，现在请你从全球视角谈谈：G42 如何帮助各国和合作伙伴负责任地建设 AI——不只求快，还要遵循正确的伦理方式？
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I think that's important to keep in mind >> and I think that's really crucial to conversations like this. As you've identified, not enough people are addressing that point and that's why we do credit ourselves here at Jiteex Global to have those difficult but poignant conversations. Ping, I'm going to bring in a global perspective um with you now when it comes to G42's role in helping nations and partners build AI responsibly, not just fast, but in a right ethical fashion. Give us an insight in terms of what you're doing.
## 00:29:33
**中文**
>> 这与我们前面关于实验、尝试并从实践中学习的观点高度一致。这个领域太新了，没有人手里有现成剧本；真正的领导者将是今天已经动手实践的人。G42 很高兴与合作伙伴 Microsoft 在阿联酋共同推出一个特别项目——负责任 AI 研究院。我们会把全球思想领袖和政策制定者聚在一起，讨论 AI 革命对就业——
**English / Original**
>> Yes, this is actually very much in line with our earlier point about experimenting, trying and learning from practicing. It is so brand new. Nobody has a playbook. The real leaders will be the practitioners of today. Uh we are very glad uh at G42 uh to have this special program with our partner Microsoft a responsible AI institute we launched right here uh in the UAE. We will bring global thought leaders and policy makers together to discuss the impact of AI revolution on jobs
## 00:30:12
**中文**
对人的心理福祉以及整个世界的影响。这又回到全球合作：其影响将如此广泛，也可能带来如此大的颠覆，我们不能等待。今天就必须把领导者聚在一起，不仅包括技术界和商界，还应包括哲学家。例如，Sheikh Tahnoon 最近接待了 Roman Yampolskiy 博士——他是一位不断警示未来 AI 潜在风险的重要思想家——让大家坐到同一张桌前，讨论如何协作。
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on people's mental well-being uh on the world at large. So I think this is going back to the point of global partnership. The impact will be so pervasive, so potentially disruptive. We cannot wait. We have to bring leaders together today. Not just in the technology domain, not just in business community, but philosophers. For example, recently Shitan hosted Dr. Roman uh Yamposski uh a great mind in warning us about the potential risks of AI to come to the same table and discuss how we can collaborate together.
## 00:30:50
**中文**
这才是真正的关键。阿联酋正在发挥核心作用，成为一个汇聚点，把不同领域的领导者召集到一起，提前审视这股全球趋势。>> 你的回答很好地捕捉了我们所处的时刻。未来主义语言经常让人兴奋，但正如你所说，现在确实没有现成剧本。
**English / Original**
This is really the key and UEE is playing such a key role a a rallying point of bringing leaders from all different sectors together to look ahead of this uh this global trend. And I think your answer there just wonderfully captures this moment that we're in. We can often get very excited with the futuristic language, but as you say, there really is no playbook.
## 00:31:15
**中文**
>> 没错。今天，包括现场各位在内，我们所有人都是开拓者。这不是一件可以坐等结果的事。请允许我举个例子：最近我在 G42 的一次全员大会上与员工交流。我没有规定大家在办公室该做什么、不该做什么，只问了所有人：你在家使用 ChatGPT 吗？你在教孩子如何使用 ChatGPT 吗？
**English / Original**
>> No, we we are today all of you in the audience, we are all trailblazers. This is not something we can afford to sit and wait and see what happens. By the way, if you allow me, recently I was having a discussion in a town hall meeting with my employees at G42. I didn't say a word about what you should do or should not do in the office. I simply asked everybody, are you using chachi at home? Are you teaching your children how to use chachi?
## 00:31:45
**中文**
这件事已经进入每个人的家庭，不再只关乎工作或业务，而是一种新的生活方式。你要么选择拥抱它，要么就只会成为普通用户，无法成为这场核心运动中有影响力的一员。它已经来到我们家中，这是我们必须认真对待的问题。>> 你说它已进入我们的家庭。阿联酋成为你我的家都已超过十年；我们有幸作为国际社会的一员生活在这里，与阿联酋兄弟姐妹紧密合作。这里拥有独特的——
**English / Original**
This is so close to home. It's no longer about your job or your business. It's about a new lifestyle. Either you choose to embrace it or you will be just another user and not relevant as part of this core movement. It's close to our homes now and this is a issue we must take to heart. >> You say it's close to our homes now. The UAE has been our home for over a decade for both you and I. We are privileged to be here as part of the international community working very closely with our Emirati brothers and sisters. A unique
## 00:32:25
**中文**
生活、工作和休闲生态。谈到阿联酋和 G42 的责任，你们使命的核心之一，是确保数字鸿沟之后不会再出现 AI 鸿沟。随后也请 Sam 从全球视角回应。>> 本次讨论开始时，你们播放了一段短片，介绍我们提出的“智能电网”概念。我认为，它就像一条普惠的超级高速公路，以超级公共事业的形式把智能分发到各处——
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ecosystem here to live and work and play. In terms of the UAE's responsibility, G42's responsibility at the heart of your mission to ensure there isn't as we know a digital divide followed by an AI divide and then Sam if I can bring you in on a global perspective on that. I think at the beginning of this um discussion we're having you showed a brief video of this concept we invented called intelligence grid. I think that universal um super highway of super utility distributing intelligence everywhere
## 00:33:05
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通过大规模数据中心，把数万亿 token 送到世界每个人手中。这是关键所在，也是 G42 和阿联酋今天正在发挥的主要作用：与 Sam 及 OpenAI 这样的前沿模型开发者合作，把智能带给每个人。我们对此高度专注。G42 目前把自己定位为“数字国家建设者”；我们希望成为汇聚点，把其他国家团结起来，共同建设一条——
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through large scale uh data centers to bring trillions of tokens to the hands of everyone on the world. That's the key. That's the main role G42 is playing today and UE as a nation is playing today to partner with frontier model builders like SAM open AAI to bring that intelligence to everyone and we are very focused on that. We consider ourselves right now at G42 as a digital nation builder. We want to be a rallying point to bring other nations together to build a superighway
## 00:33:43
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承载智能 token 的超级高速公路。因此，阿联酋既是蓝图，也是普及 AI 的倡导者。>> 从出口一桶桶石油，转向分发智能 token。>> 这再次体现了阿联酋推动经济多元化的目标。Sam，请你从全球角度谈谈，如何确保不出现 AI 鸿沟。
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of intelligence tokens. So the UAE as a blueprint and also a champion of universal AI adoption >> going from exporting barrels of oils to becoming a distributor of intelligence tokens. >> Again emphasizing that point about the UAE's economic diversification goals. Sam, if I can bring you in on that global perspective of ensuring that we don't have an AI divide.
## 00:34:12
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我认为，防止这种鸿沟的最佳办法，是让 AI 供应充足且价格低廉，教会人们使用，让它无处不在，并让每个国家都拥抱它。阿联酋是出色的合作伙伴，向世界展示了这里能够实现什么；但我知道，他们也和我们一样认同，在全球范围推进这件事极其重要。>> 要在全球推进，也要负责任地推进。两位先生，很遗憾时间即将结束。我想给你们各一次行动倡议的机会。我们谈到了今天的智能体和明天的人工超级智能——后者似乎还要几年。那么近期——
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I think the best thing we can do to ensure that we don't have that divide is to make AI abundant and cheap, to teach people how to use it, to make it available everywhere, to have every country embrace it. The UAE has been a wonderful partner for showing the world what's possible here. But I know they agree with us how important it is to do this globally, >> to do this globally, to do it responsibly as well. So gentlemen, unfortunately, we are running out of time. So I want to give you both a chance to have a call to action when it comes to we're speaking about today's agents and tomorrow's artificial super intelligence that still feels like a few years away. What can we expect in the
## 00:34:54
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会发生什么？有没有突发消息要分享，或者哪些令人瞠目结舌的时刻值得期待？>> 有，ChatGPT 6——这个请 Sam 来讲，相信还会有下一次重大突破，我们都很期待。结束前我有两个想法想与大家分享。第一，今天我们坐在阿联酋迪拜。这里是一个能源之国，我想号召所有 AI 从业者，也提醒全球领导者注意我的朋友 Sam 不久前说过的一句话：
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immediate future? Are there any breaking news announcements that you'd like to share with us or any jaw-dropping moments that we should be looking forward to? >> Yeah, Chachi PD6. I'll let S talk about that. I'm sure there'll be another major breakthrough. We're all looking forward to it. I think in closing there are two thoughts on my mind. Um I I want to share with with everyone. Uh number one sitting here in Dubai in the UAE uh we are a nation of energy and I I call upon all my fellow AI practitioners and and I want to remind all the global leaders something again my friend Sam said not long ago. The
## 00:35:35
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智能的成本最终将等同于能源成本。能源是关键。我认为每个国家都需要明智的能源政策和能源规划，就像阿联酋今天正在做的，以及美国目前也在本土推进的那样。每个国家都需要制定雄心勃勃的能源计划和互联计划，因为要实现 Sam 刚才所说的、把 AI 带给每个人，我们需要多得多的能源以公平、低成本且快速的方式在全球分配。
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cost of intelligence eventually will equal the cost of energy. Energy is a key. I think every nation need to have a smart energy policy, energy plan as we're doing here today in the UEE as US now is also doing uh on shore. Every nation need to devise a ambitious energy plan and a connectivity plan because ultimately to do what Sam just mentioned to bring AI to everyone we need a lot more energy to be distributed globally equitably and cheap and fast.
## 00:36:12
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第二点是，当我们讨论 AI 未来能否成功时，今天最大的失败——这也是 Sam 最近与我和 Sheikh Tahnoon 谈过的——将是缺乏雄心。我们必须想得更大，必须以新的范式思考。这不只是又一次渐进演化，而是要求我们改变思维方式。我们必须拥抱它。
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The second thing I'll say is as we talk about the future success of AI um the the greatest failure again a conversation Sam had with me and Shitano recently the greatest failure today will be the failure of ambition. We have to think bigger. We have to think with a new paradigm. This again is not just another evolutionary step. This require mindset change. We must embrace it.
## 00:36:45
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>> 你过去说过，我们必须思考不可想象之事。我想这正概括了你刚才的观点。Sam，请结合肖鹏关于能源和无限雄心的观点，谈谈近期预测。>> 我确实认为，我们正在走向一个智能成本与能源成本趋同的世界。因此，建设大量能源供应以及为此所需的雄心非常重要。但我们之所以做这一切，是因为相信它能够改善人们的世界，解锁各种不可思议的新事物，而人们理应拥有这些机会。我很高兴能与朋友肖鹏合作，努力抵达那个未来。
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>> And you've said in the past we must think the unthinkable. I think that captures what you've just mentioned there. Sam, to bring you in on that, near future predictions. And to build on Pang's points about energy and limitless ambition. I I I do think we are heading to a world where the cost of intelligence is going to converge to the cost of energy and building out a lot of energy and the ambition it makes to do that is very important. But the reason we do all of this is because we believe it can transform the world for people that it can unlock all sorts of incredible new things and that people deserve this. And I'm delighted to work with my friend Pang to to try to get there.
## 00:37:26
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>> 我还想提出最后一个请求。我们已经超时，主办方可能会找我麻烦，但请容我任性一下。请二位用个人感受作结。大家在这里全神贯注地聆听，不只是想了解 AI 的未来，也想从你们两位身上学习。先请 Sam 回答，再请肖鹏作最后总结。是什么驱动着你们？什么让你们坚持前进？两位都已站在行业之巅，Sam，究竟是什么让你继续向前？
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>> And I'm just going to ask a favor. I might get in trouble with the organizers because we are out of time, but indulge me. A personal note from you both to end on because we're all here hanging on every word, not only to learn about the future of AI, but also to learn from you both as well. Sam, to begin with you and then to come with you paying for the final word. What makes you tick? What keeps you going? You're both at the top of the tree, but what keeps you going and pushing ahead, Sam?
## 00:37:58
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>> 我认为，这既是人类历史上我见过最令人兴奋的科学事业，也是最有可能改善人们生活的事。能够参与其中——虽然确实令人筋疲力尽——却是一份莫大的荣誉。>> 你说这些话时整张脸都亮了起来。Sam，非常感谢你拨冗参加今天的 GITEX Global 2025 对话。肖鹏——
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>> I I think this is both the most exciting scientific endeavor I have ever seen in history and the thing that will most improve people's lives. And to get to work on that is like a you know, it's exhausting, but it's a great honor >> and your face just lights up when you speak like that. So, thank you so much, Sam, for taking the time out to speak to us today at Jiteex Global 2025. paying.
## 00:38:19
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什么驱动着你？>> 我讲一个这个周末刚发生的故事，会非常简短。真的很短。>> 你还没有见过我妻子 Stella。>> 没见过，我很愿意见她。>> 好。如果你见到她，就会知道她是一位非常时尚的女士。这个周末，我们的洗碗机坏了，不停冒泡沫，没人知道怎么回事。
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What makes you tick? >> I'll tell you a story that happened this this weekend. I'll be I'll be very brief. Very very brief. >> So you you never met my wife Stella. >> No, I'd love to. >> Okay. If if you ever meet her, you all know she's a lady of fashion. Um this weekend our dishwasher broke down. It's foaming. We don't know what's going on.
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客人马上要来，她非常着急，希望管家立刻修好。可怜的管家给 Miele 技术支持打电话，无人接听；他又下楼去储藏室找洗碗机说明书，也没找到。Stella 等不及了，就拍下那台冒泡洗碗机的照片，问 GPT：“我的洗碗机怎么了？”
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Have guest is coming and and she was panicking. She thought our house manager fix it right now. The poor guy called MIDI tech support. Nobody answers and went downstairs in the storage room looking for the manual for the dishwasher. Couldn't find it. Stella couldn't wait anymore. She took a photo of that foaming dishwasher and asked GBT, "What's wrong with my dishwasher?"
## 00:39:06
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GPT 一步一步指导她解决了问题。最后请大家记住这幅画面：一位时尚女士，如今变成了洗碗机维修工程师。>> 下次我希望 Stella 也能和你、Sam 一起站上这个舞台。最后我想说：两位常被称为科技巨头、远见者、开拓者，甚至炼金术士。我还要加一个称号——也许你们还是时间旅行者。
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Step by step, it fixed the problem. So, I'll leave you with this image, a lady of fashion. now is a maintenance engineer for dishwashers. >> Next time I want Stella to be on stage with yourself and Sam as well. And I'm going to end on a note that says, "Look, you're both described as giants of the technology where visionaries, pioneers, alchemists even. I'm going to add to that and say possibly time travelers.
## 00:39:34
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你们不断深入时空，把礼物带回来送给我们所有人。我也特别感谢你们给予现场观众的信任，坦率地讨论风险以及如何降低风险。当然，我们还有太多话题可以继续谈。最后再请求一次：肖鹏、Sam，我们有一档 G42 On Air 播客。
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You're going further into space and time and bringing back gifts for us all. But also what I really appreciate is the trust that you've given us here with our audience. your candid nature to actually engage with the risks and mitigating the risks. Of course, we could have so much more that we could discuss. Last favor, Ping Sam, we have the G42 onair podcast.
## 00:39:57
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欢迎大家收听。我有幸采访过 G42 的许多高管。我想我们需要制作一期特别节目，或许可以长达两小时，怎么样？>> 乐意之至。>> 两位都笑了。尊敬的现场观众，请以热烈掌声感谢肖鹏和 Sam Altman。[掌声] 非常感谢你，肖鹏，这是一场非常精彩的对话。谢谢。接下来我们将延续这股势头，直接进入下一场活动。
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Please do listen to it. I have the pleasure of interviewing many executives across G42. I think we need a special edition. It should be possibly two hours long. How about that? >> Pleasure. >> They're both smiling. My esteemed audience, please give Ping Chow and Sam Alman a big round of applause. [Applause] Thank you so much, Ping. That was wonderful, wonderful experience. Thank you so much. And on that note, without further ado, we're keeping up the momentum. We're going to now launch straight into our next session.