# (77) Joe Rogan Experience #2404 - Elon Musk - YouTube
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乔·罗根播客。一探究竟。 >> 《乔·罗根体验》。 >> 白天训练。乔·罗根夜间播客。一整天。 >> 正是如此。 >> 就在每天早上。 >> 想知道杰夫·贝佐斯在做什么。 >> 他正在做一些[笑声]，肯定是在做一些睾丸激素。他看起来很兴奋。 >> 他看起来很厉害，对吧？ >> 是的。但他不喜欢>>快>>快>>快[笑声]，在50岁的时候，在59岁的时候，不到一年的时间，他从铅笔极客变成了呃，看起来像“巨石”强森。
**English / Original**
Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT. All day. >> Exactly. >> Just every morning. >> Wonder what Jeff Bezos is doing. >> He's doing some [laughter] definitely doing some testosterone. He looks jacked. >> He looks jacked, right? >> Yeah. But he didn't like >> quick >> quick >> quick [laughter] at age like at 50 at age 59 in less than a year he he went from pencilet geek to uh looking like a like the rock.
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>> 是的。就像一个微型阿尔法家伙。 >> 是的。就像他的脖子比他的头还大一样。 >> 是的。他变大了。 >> 但就像他早期的照片一样，他的脖子就像面条一样。 >> 我支持这项活动。我喜欢看到他朝这个方向前进>>这很好。他的声音下降了两个八度。我希望你也朝这个方向前进。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Like a little miniature alpha fella. >> Yeah. Like like his neck got bigger than his head. >> Yeah. He got bigger. >> But then like his earlier pictures his neck's like a noodle. >> I support this activity. I like to see him going in this direction >> which is fine. And his voice dropped like two octaves. I want you to move in that direction as well.
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>> I think we can achieve this. >> 我我我的意思是我应该>> 我认为我们可以实现>> gigachad。 [笑声]人们就是这么称呼它的。 >> 那个人在哪里？ >> 贝勒。呃我不知道他在哪里。 >> That's like a real guy. >> 艺术家。是的。 >> 不。>> 哦，gigachad。 [笑声]哦，吉加查德。是的。我不知道这是否是一个真正的人。很难说。
**English / Original**
>> I think we can achieve this. >> I I I mean I should >> I think we can achieve >> gigachad. [laughter] That's what people called it. >> Where is that guy? >> Bele. Uh I don't know where he is. >> That's like a real guy. >> The artist. Yeah. >> No. >> Oh, gigachad. [laughter] Oh, gigachad. Yeah. I don't know if that's a real guy. It's hard to say.
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>> 不，这是一个真正的家伙。 >> 这是一个真正的家伙。 >> 他有疯狂的下巴和完美的雕刻头发。 >> 是的。嗯，我的意思是，他们可能有点夸张，但是>>嗯>>但是呃不，我想我认为他实际上就是现实中的那样。 >> 哇。 >> 嗯，>> 就像他是一个看起来非常独特的人。
**English / Original**
>> No, it is a real guy. >> It is a real guy. >> He's got the crazy jaw and like perfect sculpted hair. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, they may have exaggerated a little bit, but >> um >> but uh No, I think I think he actually just kind of looked like that in reality. >> Wow. >> Um so >> like like he's a pretty unique looking individual.
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>> 我认为我们可以实现这一目标。那里的那个人，是一个真正的人。 [笑声] >> 那是一个真正的家伙。 >> 我一直以为那是CGI。 >> 不，我想我认为右上角的那个不是[笑]他。那不是>>但是[清喉咙]左边那个是真的。不，那是人为的，兄弟。
**English / Original**
>> I think we can achieve this. That guy right there, that's a real guy. [laughter] >> That's a real dude. >> I always thought that was CGI. >> No, I think one of I think the upper right one is not [laughter] him. That's not >> But that one to the left of [clears throat] that like that's real. No, that's that's artificial, bro.
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那是假的。这有一种恐怖谷的感觉，不是吗？ >> 这并非不可能。 >> 不不，这不是不可能实现，但也不是不可能保持那种苗条。我的意思是，就像你在那个时候，他们也在脱水以及各种各样的事情一样。 >>哦，这是根据真人改编的。
**English / Original**
That's fake. That's got that uncanny valley feel to it, doesn't it? >> It's It's not impossible. >> No, no, it's not impossible to achieve, but it's not it's not possible to maintain that kind of leanness. I mean, that's like like you're you're also at that point they're he's dehydrating and all sorts of things. >> Oh, it's based on a real person.
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>> 是的。是的。基于，>>对，但它不是一个真实的人。他到底长什么样？ >> 我认为，就像那些图像一样，[ __ ] >> 其中一些是。这是真的吗？好的。那看起来是真的。看起来真是一位杰克健美运动员。 >> 是的。 >> 是的，看起来很真实。就像这是可以实现的。但有一些图像会让你想，“这里发生了什么事？”
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Yeah. Based on, >> right, but it's not a real person. What does he really look like? >> Like those images, I think, are [ __ ] >> Some of them are. Is that real? Okay. That That looks real. That looks like a really jack bodybuilder. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that looks real. Like that's achievable. But there's a few of those images where you're just like, "What's going on here?"
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>> 是的。是的。是的。完全。嗯 >> 嗯，我的意思是，你看你看[笑声] >> 那个家伙就是那个 >> 那才是真正的家伙？ >> 好吧，那就是那个冰岛人，他就是雷神。 >> 哦，是的。那个在冰冻的湖里跳跃的家伙和 [ __ ] >> 好吧，那个扮演山的家伙。嗯>>哦，那个家伙。 >>那就是，就像是一个变异强者一样。是的。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Um >> Well, I mean, you see you see [laughter] >> that guy is that is that the >> that's the real dude? >> Well, there's that that that Icelandic dude who's Thor. >> Oh, yeah. The guy who jumps in the frozen lakes and [ __ ] >> Well, the guy who played the mountain. Um >> Oh, that guy. >> That is that is like a that that is like a a mutant strong human. Yes.
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>> 就像呃他会像X战警之类的，你知道吗？ >> 他就像不像呃>> 你知道你见过那个模因帐篷和帐篷袋吗？ >> 嗯，你知道把帐篷放进去是多么困难>> 哦，对了。正确的。 [笑声] >> 确实如此。 >> 然后是他和他女朋友的照片。
**English / Original**
>> Like like uh he would be in like the X-Men or something, you know? >> He's just like not like uh >> and there's that you know that have you seen that meme tent and tent bag? >> Um you know how like it's like it's really hard to get the tent tent in >> Oh, right. Right. [laughter] >> That's true. >> Then there's a picture of of him and his girlfriend.
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太搞笑了。 [笑声] >> 是的，那就是 >> 我不知道它是怎么进去的，你知道吗？好像它太小了。但是>>我遇到了布莱恩[笑声]肖。布莱恩·肖就像世界上最有权势的人。他几乎[笑声] 7 英尺高。他重 400 磅 >> 他的骨密度是五亿分之一。所以有一个大概有 16 个人。
**English / Original**
That's hilarious. [laughter] >> Yeah, that's >> I don't know how it gets in there, you know? It's like it seems too small. But >> I met Brian [laughter] Shaw. Brian Shaw is like the world's most powerful man. And he's almost [laughter] 7 feet tall. He's 400 lb. >> And his his bone density is 1 in 500 million people. So there's one it's like there's like maybe 16 people.
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>> 他是一个伟大的人。就像一个合法的巨人一样，就像那个家伙一样。但我们遇见了他。他和我们一起在母舰的绿色房间里闲逛。就像，好吧，如果这就像大卫和歌利亚的时代，就像这是一个真正的巨人，就像圣经中的巨人一样。 >> 偶尔他们会遇到一个超级巨人。
**English / Original**
>> He's an enormous human being. like a legitimate giant just like that guy. But we met him. He was hanging out with us in the green room of the mother ship. It's like, okay, if this was like David and Goliath days, like this is an actual giant like the giants of the Bible. >> Once in a while they get a super giant person.
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>> 这是真正的真实的。就像不是一个高瘦的篮球运动员，而是一个 7 英尺高的 400B 举重运动员。 >> 就像你不想特别看他一样。就是那个家伙。看看是否有一张他像普通人一样站在旁边的照片。我>>试图得到>>它就在那里。那就是他。就像有一个他旁边站着阿诺德之类的东西，每个人都看起来很小。
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>> This is a real a real one. Like not a tall skinny basketball player, like a 7 foot 400B powerliffter. >> Like you don't want to especially look at him. That's the guy. See if there's a photo of him standing next to like a regular human. I >> was trying to get >> There it is. That's him right there. Like there's like there's like one of him with next to standing next to Arnold and stuff and it's where and everyone everyone just looks tiny.
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>> 我的意思是我认为他实际上是一个很酷的家伙。 >> 哦，布莱恩非常酷。也很聪明。不同寻常的是，你知道，你期望任何人都那么大。它必须是 [ __ ] >> 否。 >> 是的。巨人安德烈真是太棒了。你>>他在《公主新娘》中表现出色并且>>不，他只是很棒的时期。 >> 是的。是的。所以，我们正在谈论对萨姆·奥尔特曼和塔克的采访，我想，我们可能应该在广播中谈论这个，因为这是我认为我一生中见过的最疯狂的采访之一。
**English / Original**
>> I mean I think he's a pretty cool dude actually. >> Oh, Brian's very cool. Very smart, too. Unusually, you know, you expect anybody to be that big. It's got to be a [ __ ] >> No. >> Yeah. There was there's Andre the Giant who was awesome. You >> he was great in Princess Bride and >> No, he was just awesome period. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, we were talking about um this interview with Sam Alman and Tucker, and I was like, we should probably just talk about this on the air because it is one of the craziest interviews I think I've ever seen in my life.
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>> 是的。 >> 塔克开始提到这个举报人，无论如何。 >> 一名举报人，你知道，>> 自杀了，但看起来不像。 >> 他正在与 Sam Alman 谈论此事。萨姆·奥尔顿说：“你在指责我吗？”他就像是，“不，不，不。我没有。我只是说我认为有人杀了他。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. >> Where Tucker starts bringing up this guy who was a whistleblower, whatever. >> A whistleblower who, you know, >> committed suicide, but it doesn't look like it. >> And and he's talking to Sam Alman about this. And Sam Alton was like, "Are you accusing me?" He's like, "No, no, no. I'm not. I'm just saying I I think someone killed him.
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>> 是的。应该对此进行调查。 >> 是的。 >> 嗯，不只是丢掉这个案子。 >> 看起来>> 他们刚刚放弃了这个案子。是的。是的。但他的父母认为他是被谋杀的。 >> 是的。 >> 嗯，安全摄像头的电线被切断了。嗯>>两个房间里都有血。 >> 两个房间里都有血迹。房间里有别人的假发。还有>>别人的假发。
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>> Yeah. And like And it should be investigated. >> Yeah. >> Um not just drop the case. >> It seems like >> they just dropped the case. Yeah. Yeah. But his parents think he was murdered. >> Yeah. >> Um the wires to a security camera were cut. Um >> blood in two rooms. >> Blood in two rooms. Someone else's wig was in the room. And >> someone else's wig.
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>> 假发。 >> 假发。是的。不是他的假发。 >> 戴假发是不正常的。 >> 是的。嗯，嗯，他在据称自杀前命令了 Door Dash 嗯。 >> 呃，呃，这看起来很不寻常，你知道吗？ >> 是的。 >> 就像，你知道，让我再三考虑再点披萨，我会自杀。呃，看来心态的变化非常快。
**English / Original**
>> Wig. >> Wig. Yes. Not his wig. >> Not normal to have a wig laying around. >> Yes. Um and um and he ordered Door Dash uh right before allegedly committing suicide. >> Uh which uh is it seems unusual, you know? >> Yeah. >> It's like, you know, let's I'm going to order pizza on second thoughts, I'll kill myself. Uh is it seems like that's a very rapid change in mindset.
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>> 这很奇怪。尤其是父母，他们根本不相信他是自杀的。 >> 没有任何注释或任何东西。 >> 没有。>> 是的。 >> 看起来很漂亮[__]。你知道，一家价值数十亿美元的大型人工智能公司的举报人可能会受到打击，这种想法并不排除在外。
**English / Original**
>> It's very weird. And especially the parents have they they don't believe he committed suicide at all. >> Has no note or anything. >> No. >> Yeah. >> It seems pretty [ __ ] up. And you know, the idea that a whistleblower for an enormous AI company that's worth billions of dollars might get whacked, that's not outside the pale.
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>> 我的意思是，这简直就是电影里的。 >> 电影里的场景，但电影里的场景有时也是真实的。 >> 是的。正确的。 [笑声] 没错。 >> 我认为他们应该进行适当的调查，这有点奇怪。比如，适当的调查有什么缺点？ >> 对。 >> 不。>> 是的，>> 当然。但整个交流是如此奇怪。
**English / Original**
>> I mean, it's straight out of a movie. >> Right out of a movie, but right out of a movie is real sometimes. >> Yeah. Right. [laughter] Exactly. >> It's a little weird that I I think they should do a proper investigation. Like, what's the downside on that proper investigation? >> Right. >> No. >> Yeah, >> for sure. But the whole exchange is so bizarre.
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>> 是的。是的。萨姆·奥尔特曼对被指控谋杀的反应很奇怪。 >> 听着，我不知道他是否有罪，但不可能看起来更内疚。 [笑声]>>所以，我想，>>或者看起来更奇怪。 >> 是的。 >> 你知道，也许这只是他的社交活动。就像，也许他只是对对抗感到奇怪，然后就一片空白，你知道吗？但如果有人指控我杀死了杰米，就像杰米是举报人而杰米遭到重击，然后我会说，“等等，你是什么？你在指控我杀了我的朋友吗？”就像，“你在说什么 [__]？”我希望我的评价会高一点。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Yeah. Sam Alman's reaction to being accused of murder is bizarre. >> Look, I don't know if he's guilty, but it's not possible to look more guilty. [laughter] >> So, I'm like, >> or look more weird. >> Yeah. >> You know, maybe it's just his social thing. Like, maybe he's just odd with confrontation and it just goes blank, you know? But if if somebody was accusing me of killing Jamie, like if Jamie was a whistleblower and Jamie got whacked and then I'd be like, "Wait, what are you what are you are you accusing me of killing my friend?" Like, "What the [ __ ] are you talking about?" I would I would be a little bit more I rate.
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>> 是的。是的。确切地。你知道，那会是>>我会有点不高兴。 >> 是的。嗯，你会想，你肯定会坚持进行彻底调查。是的。 >> 而不是试图将其掩盖起来。 >> 是的。我不认为他知道他是自杀的。我会很怀疑。如果塔克告诉我故事的这一方面，我会说，“这看起来确实像谋杀案。[__]我们应该对此进行调查。”
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You know, it would be >> I would be a little upset. >> Yeah. It'd be like Well, you'd be like, you'd certainly in insist on a thorough investigation. Yeah. >> As opposed to trying to sweep it under the rug. >> Yeah. I wouldn't assume that he got that he committed suicide. I would be suspicious. If Tucker was telling me that aspect of the story, I'd be like, "That does seem like a murder. [ __ ] We should look into this."
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>> 我的意思是，所有迹象都表明这是一起谋杀案。不是说，你知道，蒂姆·莫尔文与谋杀案有任何关系，而是呃>>两个房间里有血迹。 >> 两个房间里都是血。就像，是的，在自杀之前，有安全摄像头的电线和门仪表板。没有遗书。他的父母认为他是被谋杀的，我认识的认识他的人都说他没有自杀倾向。
**English / Original**
>> I mean, all signs point to it being a murder. Not not saying, you know, Tim Molvin had anything to do with the murder, but uh >> blood in two rooms. >> It's blood in two rooms. Like, yeah, there's the wires to the security camera and the door dash being ordered right before suicide. No suicide note. his parents think uh he was murdered and um the people that I know who knew him said he was not suicidal.
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所以我就是这样，你为什么要跳出结论>>父母起诉>>呃房东？ >> 他们起诉儿子的房东，指控儿子位于旧金山公寓楼的业主和经理参与了广泛掩盖儿子死亡事件的一部分。 >> 楼主 >> 是啊。有很多奇怪的事情 他们说大楼里好像丢了包裹。有人说，他们看到包裹还在运送中，突然就全部消失了。
**English / Original**
So I'm like this why would you jump to the conclusion >> parents sued the >> uh landlord? >> They sued the son's landlord alleged the owners and the managers of their son's San Francisco apartment building were part of a widespread cover up of his death. >> The landlord >> Yeah. There's a bunch of weird They said there was like packages missing from the building. Some people said they saw packages still being delivered and all a sudden they all disappeared.
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>> 呵呵。但这可能是人们一直在偷别人的包裹。 >> 门廊海盗情况。 >> 是的。 >> 是的。 >> 说他们未能保护好。 >> 另外，我的意思是，那些可怜的父母因他们的儿子就这样死去而经历了多少创伤。我的意思是，它必须>>上帝保佑他们。经历了这样的事情之后，他们怎么还能保持理智呢？他们大概是太伤心了。谁知道他们此时相信什么。
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>> Huh. But that could be people steal people's packages all the time. >> The porch pirate situation. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Says they failed to safeguard. >> Also, I mean, the amount of trauma those poor parents have gone through with their son dying like that. I mean, it must >> God bless them. And how could they stay sane after something like that? They're probably they're so griefstricken. Who knows what they believe at this point.
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>> 是的。它应该问爱普生是否自杀了。 >> [笑声] >> 是的，这就是 Cash Mattel 的事。卡什·美泰 (Cash Mattel) 丹·博尼诺 (Dan Bonino) 试图让所有人相信这一点。就像，好吧。 >> 警卫不在那里，摄像机停止工作，嗯 >> 你知道，>> 警卫睡着了。相机坏了。他和一个巨大的类固醇健美运动员同住一间牢房，而他是一个凶手，也是一个坏警察。就像，所有这些都有点疯狂。所有这一切都有点疯狂，他宁愿自杀也不愿透露他所有的亿万富翁朋友。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. It should have asked if Epson killed himself. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, that's the the Cash Mattel thing. Cash Mattel Dan Bonino trying to convince everybody of that. Like, okay. >> The guards weren't there and the cameras stopped working and um >> you know, >> the guards were asleep. The cameras weren't working. He had a a giant steroided up bodybuilder guy that he was sharing a cell with that was a murderer who was a bad cop. Like, all of it's kind of nuts. All of it's kind of nuts like that he would just kill himself rather than reveal all of his billionaire friends.
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>> 是的。 >> 然后 >> 你看到蒂姆·迪伦和克里斯·科莫谈论这件事了吗？ >> 我做到了。他喜欢这个主意。 >> 克里斯·克罗莫看上去太蠢了。 [笑声]>>蒂姆刚刚列出了所有>>蒂姆只是，他就像我同意这很奇怪。克里斯当然很奇怪。耶稣基督。你不能只是随波逐流。你必须把事情想清楚。如果你仔细想一想，你会想，我不认为他自杀了。没有人这样做。你必须为情报机构工作才会认为他自杀了。 [笑声] >> 确实如此。看来确实不太可能。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. >> And then >> did you see Tim Dylan talking to Chris Cuomo about this? >> I did. He liked the idea. >> Chris Cromo just looked so stupid. [laughter] >> Tim just listed off all the >> Tim just and he's like I agree it is strange. Like of course it's strange Chris. Jesus Christ. You can't just go with the tide. You got to think things through. And if you think that one through, you're like, I don't think he killed himself. Nobody does. You'd have to work for an intelligence agency to think he killed himself. [laughter] >> It does. It does seem unlikely.
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>> 这似乎不太可能。高度、极不可能。所有道路都指向谋杀。 >> 是的。 >> 指出他们必须除掉他，因为他知道的太多了。无论他在做什么，无论他是什么资产，无论他在做什么，你知道，显然都是非常有效的。 >> 是的。很多人都受到了损害。
**English / Original**
>> It seems highly unlikely. Highly, highly unlikely. All roads point to murder. >> Yes. >> Point to they had to get rid of him because he knew too much. Whatever the [ __ ] he was doing, whatever kind of an asset he was, whatever thing he was up to, you know, was apparently very effective. >> Yes. And a lot of people are compromised.
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你看，你的儿子比尔盖茨现在说气候变化不是什么大问题。比如，大家放松一下。我知道在过去的十五年里我把你们吓坏了，但是啊，我们会没事的。 [笑声] >> 是的。我的意思是，你知道，就像我在进入工作室之前所说的那样，你知道，就像每天都会发生一些疯狂的新事情一样。
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You see, your boy Bill Gates is now saying climate change is not a big deal. Like, relax everybody. I know I scared the [ __ ] out of you for the last decade and a half, but ah, we're going to be fine. [laughter] >> Yeah. I mean, you know, as was I was saying just before coming into the studio with, you know, it like every day there's some crazy wild new thing that's happening.
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感觉现实正在加速。 >> 每天都是如此。每一天，它都变得越来越荒谬，以至于模拟变得越来越不可否认。 >> 是的。是的。这真的感觉像模拟，你知道吗？就像，来吧。出现这种情况的可能性有多大？ >> 你有关注《三图集》吗？你在看>>彗星吗？
**English / Original**
It's It feels like reality is accelerating. >> It's every day. And Every day it's like more and more ridiculous to the point where the simulation is more and more undeniable. >> Yeah. Yeah. It really feels like simulation, you know? It's like, come on. What are the odds that this could be the case? >> Are you paying attention at all to Three Atlas? Are you watching the >> the comet?
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>> 是的。不管是什么。 >> 是的。是的。我的意思是，我的意思是，我可以说的一件事是，看，如果我知道任何外星人的证据，嗯，乔，我向你保证。我会来参加你的节目，我会在节目中揭晓。 >> 好的。 >> 是的，>> 这很划算。 >> 是的，非常好。 >> 我会相信你。是的，谢谢。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Whatever it is. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean, one thing I can say is like, look, I if if I was aware of any evidence of aliens, um, you Joe, you have my word. I will come on your show and I will reveal it on the show. >> Okay. >> Yeah, >> that's a good deal. >> Yeah, it's pretty good. >> I'll believe you. Yeah, thank you.
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>> 我我会坚持下去，我会信守我的承诺，信守我的诺言。所以，嗯>>好吧。我会坚持下去。 >> 是的。是的。 [清嗓子] 澄清一下，我绝不会自杀。 [笑声] >> 我认为你也不会。 >> 所以，在镜头前，伙计们，我永远不会自杀。 >> 如果有人说你自杀了，[笑声]我会竭尽全力战斗。
**English / Original**
>> I I'll stick I keep my you know, keep my promises. So, um >> All right. I'll hold you to that. >> Yeah. Yeah. And and [clears throat] I'm never committing suicide to be clear. [laughter] >> I don't think you would either. >> So, on camera, guys, I am never committing suicide ever. >> If someone says you committed suicide, [laughter] I will fight tooth and nail.
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>> 我会竭尽全力地战斗。我会的我不会相信。我不会相信。关于三眼地图集的事情是，它实际上是一个地狱般的名字。 >> 是的，这是第三只眼，听起来像是第三只眼之类的。 >> 是的，确实如此。 [笑声] 三眼是第三。这只是检测到的第三个星际物体。
**English / Original**
>> I will fight tooth and nail. I will I will not believe it. I will not believe it. The thing about the three eye atlas is it's >> a hell of a name actually. >> Yeah, it's a third eye sounds like third eye or something. >> Yeah, it does. [laughter] Three eye is third. It's only the third interstellar object that's detected.
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>> 好的。 >> 是的。 [哼哼]奥比亚斯。 >> 是的。几天前，阿洛在播客上谈论了这件事。 >> 是的。可能是。我不知道。但我>>显然今天他们说它改变了方向。嗯，>>你看到了吗，杰米？ >> 阿维今天说了一些话。我会把它发给你。嗯，>> 呃，我知道它在 Reddit 上。 >> 给你，杰米。我现在就发给你。嗯，这很迷人。它的迷人之处还在于它几乎完全由镍制成，无论它是什么。唯一存在的方法，呃，显然是，呃，工业合金。嗯嗯，最没有，有
**English / Original**
>> Okay. >> Yeah. [snorts] Obias. >> Yeah. Alo was on the podcast a couple days ago talking about it. >> Yeah. It could be. I don't know. But I >> apparently today they're saying that it's changed course. Um, >> did you see that, Jamie? >> Avi said something today. I'll send it to you. Um, >> uh, I know it's on Reddit. >> Here you go, Jamie. I'll send it to you right now. Um, it's fascinating. It's fascinating also because it's made almost entirely of nickel, whatever it is. And the only way that exists, uh, here is, uh, industrial alloys apparently. Um um most no there are there are
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>> 事实上，肯定有呃彗星和小行星主要由镍组成。是的。因此，地球上开采镍的地方实际上是有一颗小行星或彗星撞击地球的地方，那里富含镍，呃你知道>>富含镍的富镍矿床。 >> 是的，就是这样，就是这样。
**English / Original**
>> there are definitely uh comets that and asteroids that are made primarily of nickel in fact. Yeah. So the the places where um you mine nickel on earth is actually where there was an asteroid or comet that hit earth that was a nickel rich uh you know >> nickel rich nickel rich rich deposit. >> Yeah that's that's that's it's coming.
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这些都是来自影响。你当时肯定不想在那里，因为任何东西都会被抹掉。正确的。嗯，但这就是现在镍和钴的来源。 >> 这是奥维奥·洛佩。几个小时前，第一个暗示非重力加速度表明重力以外的东西正在影响其加速度，这意味着有东西正在影响其超越重力的轨迹。
**English / Original**
Those are from impacts. You definitely didn't want to be there at the time because anything would have been obliterated. Right. Um, but that's that's where the the sources of nickel and cobalt are these days. >> So, this is Ovio Lope. A few hours ago, the first hint of non-gravitational acceleration that something other than gravity is affecting its acceleration, meaning something is affecting its trajectory beyond gravity was indicated.
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有趣的。嗯，所以它主要是镍，很少有铁，他说，呃，地球上只存在于合金中，但无论你知道什么，你正在与另一个星球打交道>>那里，这里有，有一些情况下，有非常富含镍的小行星陨石，其重量比来自太空的东西还要重。 >> 是的，这只是是的，这并不意味着如果你用镍制造它，它将是一艘非常重型的宇宙飞船。哦，是的。
**English / Original**
Interesting. Um so it's mostly nickel very little iron which uh he was saying uh is on earth only exists in alloys but whatever you know you're dealing with another planet >> there this there are there are there are cases where there's very nickel richch asteroids meteorites that heavy that something from space. >> Yeah it it's only yeah it doesn't mean it'll be a very sort of heavy spaceship if you make it all out of nickel. Oh yeah.
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>> 并且 [ __ ] 巨大。曼哈顿那么大，全是镍币。这有点疯狂。 >> 是的，那是一艘重型宇宙飞船。 >> 如果它击中了，那就是一个真正的问题了。 >> 呃是的。不，它会毁灭一个大陆之类的东西。 >> 嗯，也许更糟。 >> 可能会杀死大部分人的生命。 >> 嗯>> 如果不是我们所有人。 >> 我不依赖于总质量是多少。但是嗯，我的意思是，就像在化石记录中一样，嗯，你知道，可以说有五次重大灭绝事件。
**English / Original**
>> And [ __ ] huge. The size of Manhattan and all nickel. That's kind of nuts. >> Yeah, that's a heavy spaceship. >> That's a real problem if it hits. >> Uh yes. No, it would like obliterate a continent type of thing. >> Um maybe maybe worse. >> Probably kill most of human life. >> Um >> if not all of us. >> I haven't depends on what the the total mass is. But um there's I mean the thing is like in the fossil record there are um you know there's like arguably arguably five major extinction events.
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嗯，其中最大的一次是Perine灭绝，嗯，几乎所有的生命都被消灭了。这实际上发生了几百万年。嗯，那是侏罗纪。我认为侏罗纪肯定是一颗小行星。嗯嗯，但是已经发生了五次重大灭绝事件，但是嗯，但是他们不计算在内的是那些仅仅毁灭了一个大陆的事件。
**English / Original**
um like the biggest one of which is the Perine extinction uh where um almost all life was eliminated. That that actually occurred over several million several million years. Um the there's the Jurassic. I think Jurassic is I think that one's pretty definitively an asteroid. Um and um but there's but there's been five major extinction events, but um but what they don't count are really the ones that merely take out a continent.
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>> 所以>> 只是>> 是的。因为那些并没有真正出现在化石记录中，你知道，>>对吧？ >> 嗯，所以除非它足以导致整个地球发生大规模灭绝事件，否则它不会出现在 2 亿年前的化石记录中。嗯，嗯，是的，但是有很多很多的影响，这些影响会摧毁你知道的所有生命，比如说北美洲的一半或类似的地方。历史进程中存在许多这样的影响。
**English / Original**
>> So >> merely >> Yeah. cuz that that because those don't really show up on the fossil record, you know, >> right? >> Um so unless it's enough to cause a you know mass extinction event throughout Earth, it it doesn't show up, you know, in a fossil record that's uh 200 million years old. Um so the uh yeah but but there have been many um many impacts that would have sort of destroyed all life on you know let's say half of North America or something like that. there many such impacts through the course of history.
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>> 是的。我们现在对此无能为力。 >> 是的。有一枚导弹击中了西伯利亚，摧毁了数百平方英里的土地。 >> 哦，那是通古萨河。 >> 是的。那是 20 年代的，对吗？ >> 是的。 >> 是的。这颗流星与我们每年六月和每年十一月都会经历的彗星风暴重合，他们认为这颗流星是造成年轻命运的原因。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. And there's nothing we can do about it right now. >> Yeah. There was one that um hits there was a one that hit Siberia and destroyed I think um few hundred square miles. >> Oh, that's the Tungusa. >> Yeah. That's the one from the 1920s, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's the one that coincides with that meteor that uh comet storm that we go through every June and every November that they think is responsible for that younger dest.
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>> 是的。是的，所有这些事情都太疯狂了。嗯，在我们继续之前谢谢你们让我们参观了 SpaceX 并让我们在那里观看了火箭发射。 >> 这是我一生中见过的最酷的事情之一。我们以为这只是半英里。杰米就像是在一英里之外。原来距离还有近两英里。你会感觉到它在你的胸口。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Yeah, all that shit's crazy. Um, thank you before we go any further for letting us have a tour of SpaceX and letting us be there for the rocket launch. >> One of the absolute coolest things I've ever seen in my life. And we we've we were we thought it was only like I thought it was a half a mile. Jamie's like it was a mile away. Turned out it's almost two miles away. And you feel it in your chest.
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>> 是的。 >> 你必须戴上耳塞，你感觉到它在你的胸口，而且它在 2 英里之外。 >> 这太[__]了不起。然后和你一起进入指挥中心，用各种不同的摄像机实时观察所有星链卫星在前往澳大利亚的过程中的情况。多少分钟？比如35 40分钟。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. It's >> you have to wear earplugs and you feel it in your chest and it's 2 miles away. >> It was [ __ ] amazing. And then to go with you up into the command center and to watch all the Starlink satellites with all the different cameras and all in real time as it made its way all the way to Australia. How many minutes? Like 35 40 minutes.
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>> 是的。 >> 狂野它在澳大利亚着陆。 >> 是的。 >> [ __ ] 疯狂。太棒了。 >> 是的。是的。 >> 绝对令人惊叹。星舰真厉害嗯，任何人都可以去看发布会。所以，你可以去南帕德里岛，欣赏发射的美景。嗯，所以这就像很多春假者去的地方。
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>> Yeah. >> Wild it touchdown in Australia. >> Yeah. >> [ __ ] crazy. It was amazing. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Absolutely amazing. The starship's awesome. Um, and anyone can go watch the launch actually. So, you can just go to um, South Padre Island, get has a great view of the launch. Um, so it's like where a lot of spring breakers go.
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>> 嗯，但是嗯，但是我们会经常从德克萨斯州南部的 Starbase 起飞。我们正式将其合并为一座城市。所以，它实际上是一个合法的城市，德克萨斯州的 Starbase。 >> 嗯，你并不常听到这样的话，嘿，我们建造了一座城市，你知道。 [笑声] 嗯，[哼哼]过去就像过去一样，就像一家初创公司，你会聚集一群人，然后说，“嘿，让我们去建一个城镇。”从字面上看，这就像过去的初创公司一样。
**English / Original**
>> Um, but um, but we'll be flying pretty frequently um, out of Starbase in South Texas. And we we formally incorporated it as a city. So, it's it's actually a legally an actual legal city, Starbase, Texas. >> Um, it's not that often you hear like, hey, we made a city, you know. [laughter] Um, that [snorts] used to be like the like in in the old days like a startup would be you go and gather a bunch of people and say, "Hey, let's go make a town." Literally, that was like that would have been startups in in in the old days.
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>> 嗯，>> 或一个国家。 >> 是的。或者一个国家。 >> 是的。 >> 是的。是的。事实上，>>如果你今天尝试这样做，就会有一个真正的问题。 >> 是的。如今，在乡村前线，事情已经一成不变了。你可能会成功。你或许可以[清清喉咙]来实现这一目标。如果你有一个坚固的岛屿，你也许能够把它拉下来。
**English / Original**
>> Um, >> or a country. >> Yeah. Or a country. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Actually, >> if you tried doing that today, there'd be a real problem. >> Yeah. That things are so much so much set in stone on the country front these days. You might pull it off. You might be able [clears throat] to pull it off. If you got a a solid island, you might be able to pull it off.
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>>你知道，这可能是，>>你知道，就像at owns lai一样。 >> 是的，如果你付出足够的努力，你也许可以建立一个新的国家。 >> 这是不同的之一。这是你抓到的其中之一，>>对吧？或者是那个吗？ >> 是的，这就是助推器。这就是超重型助推器。呃，这就是带有助推器的那艘，有 33 个发动机。嗯，嗯，你知道第四版将有大约 10,000 吨的推力。嗯，你知道现在大约有 7 8,000 吨推力。嗯，那是有史以来最大的飞行物体。
**English / Original**
>> You know, it's probably, >> you know, like like at owns lai. >> Yeah, you could probably if you put if you put enough effort into it, you could make a new country. >> This is one of the different ones. This is one of the ones that you catch, >> right? Or is that one? >> Yeah, that that's the booster. So that's the super heavy booster. Uh so that's the one with the booster's got 33 engines. Um that that uh um and it's you know by version four that will have about 10,000 tons of thrust. Um you know right now it's about 7 8,000 tons of thrust. Um, that's that's the largest flying object ever made.
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>> 我必须向某人解释。他们会说，“如果他这么聪明，为什么他们总是发脾气呢？”因为电视上有这个[__]白痴。有人正在接受采访，他们正在谈论你。他说：“哦，我认为他是个混蛋。”他说：“他是个混蛋。”他说，“为什么你说他是[__]哦，他的火箭一直在爆炸。”有人说：“是啊，那么，为什么他的火箭会爆炸呢？”我必须解释一下。
**English / Original**
>> I had to explain to someone. They were going, "Why do they blow up all the time if he's so smart?" Because there was there was this [ __ ] idiot on television. Some guy was being interviewed and they were talking about you. And he goes, "Oh, I think he's a fuckwit." And he goes, "He's a fuckwit." And he goes, "Why you say he's [ __ ] Oh, his rockets keep blowing up." And someone said, "Yeah, well, why do his rockets blow?" And I had to explain.
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是的。因为这是了解公差的唯一方法。你必须你必须到盒子的几个>>角。所以，就像这样[清嗓子]当你做一个新的呃火箭开发计划时，嗯你必须呃做所谓的呃你知道的事情，探索极限，盒子的角落，你说这就像你最坏的情况，最坏的情况，嗯，找出极限在哪里。所以呃你炸了，你知道的，不是不承认，在开发过程中有时会不小心炸掉。嗯但是但是我们故意让它服从呃呃你知道飞行状况比我们在正常飞行中预期的要糟糕得多，这样当我们把人或贵重货物送上飞机时它就不会爆炸
**English / Original**
Yeah. Because it's the only way you find out what the tolerances are. You have to you have to a few >> corners of the box. So, so like so [clears throat] when you do a new uh rocket development program, um you you have to uh do what's called uh you know, exploring the limits, the corners of the box where you say it's like you worst case this, worst case that um to figure out um uh where where the limits are. So uh you blow up, you know, not not admittedly in the development process sometimes blows up accidentally. Um but but we intentionally subject it to uh uh you know a flight regime that is much worse than what we expect in normal flight so that when we put people on board or valuable cargo it doesn't blow
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向上。嗯，嗯，所以，例如，对于你看到的那次航班，我们实际上故意从星舰上一些最糟糕的地方取下了隔热板，如果我们在这里丢失隔热板，这是灾难性的还是不是？嗯，我们星舰还是能够在澳大利亚西边的印度洋软着陆。嗯，它是从德克萨斯州传过来的，我不知道大概有 354 分钟之类的事情。所以>>所以即使你让它经历了盾牌受损的情况，它还是着陆了。
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up. Um so um so so for example for the the flight that you saw we we actually deliberately took um heat shield tiles off the the the ship the off of Starship in in some of the worst locations to say okay if we lose a heat shield tile here is it is it catastrophic or is it not? Um and we we nonetheless uh Starship was able to do a soft landing um in uh in the Indian Ocean just uh west of Australia. Um which as and it got there from Texas in like I don't know 354 minutes type of thing. So >> So it landed even though you put it through this situation where it has compromised shield.
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它有一个不寻常的地方，我们把它带入热状态，就像一条额外的热轨迹，呃，缺少瓷砖，看看它是否仍能实现软着陆。现在我应该指出它确实有一些被烧穿的洞。嗯，但它足够坚固，尽管有一些烧伤的洞，但它足以着陆，你知道，你知道，因为它即将到来，它像一颗炽热的流星一样进来。你可以看到你可以看到实时视频。
**English / Original**
it it had an an an an unusually we we we brought it in hot like an an extra hot trajectory uh with missing tiles um to see if it would still make it to a soft landing which it did. Now I I should point out it did have there were some holes that were burnt into it. Um but it's it was robust enough to land despite having some holes burnt you know that that you know cuz it's coming it's coming in like a blazing meteor. You can see you can see the real time video.
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好吧，再次告诉我速度，因为速度太糟糕了。你说的是 >> 是的，它的速度大约是 17,000 英里/小时，大约是音速的 25 倍左右。所以，嗯嗯，所以想一下，它的速度比突击步枪的子弹快 12 倍。你知道，突击步枪的子弹速度约为 2 马赫 >> 而且它的大小（清喉咙）非常大。
**English / Original**
Well, tell me the speed again because the the speed was bananas. You were talking about >> Yeah, it's like 17,000 mph like like 25 times the speed of sound or thereabouts. So, um the uh uh so so think of it like it's it's like 12 times faster than a bullet from an assault rifle. You know, bullet from assault rifles around Mach 2 >> and it's just and it's [clears throat] huge.
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>> 是的。 [笑声] 是的。或者，如果你将它与 45 或 9 百万亚音速的子弹进行比较，你知道它的速度比手枪的子弹快约 30 倍。 >> 比手枪子弹快 30 倍，而且它的大小有摩天大楼那么大。 >> 是的。 [笑声] >> 是的。那很快。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Or or if you compare it to like a bullet from a um you know a 45 or or 9 mil which is subsonic that's you know it it'll be about 30 times faster than a bullet from a handgun. >> 30 times faster than a bullet from a handgun and it's the size of a skyscraper. >> Yes. [laughter] >> Yeah. That's fast.
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>> 太狂野了。真是太疯狂了，伙计。这真是呃太令人兴奋了。这个因素也非常令人兴奋，因为真的没有[__]我觉得我正在见证历史。我觉得这就像电影中的一个场景，有人有期望，他们喜欢他们在做什么？他们正在建造火箭。你去那里，当我们走过杰米时，你也可以谈论这个。
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>> It's so wild. It's so wild to see, man. It It's uh It's so exciting. This the factor is so exciting too because like genuinely no [ __ ] I felt like I was witnessing history. I felt like it was a scene in a movie where someone had expectations and they like what are they doing? They're building rockets. And you go there and as we were walking through Jamie, you could speak to this too.
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你有没有这样的感觉>>哦，这比我想象的要大得多。这是[笑声]巨大的。惊人的。 >> 巨大的。 >> [ __ ] 疯狂。 >> 她就是这么说的。你正在制造的火箭数量。我不知道你是否>> 帐篷回来了。 [笑声] >> 吉格查德在房子里。 >> 这太大了。 >> 这是一个巨大的金属鸡巴。 [笑声] 你和你巨大的金属鸡巴就是 [ __ ] [ __ ] 宇宙。那是 >> 我的意思是，是的，确实如此。它很大。
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Didn't you have the feeling where you're like >> oh this is way bigger than I thought it was. This is [laughter] huge. Awesome. >> Gigantic. >> [ __ ] crazy. >> That's what she said. the ah the amount of rockets you're making. I don't know if you >> tent back. [laughter] >> Gig Chad in the house. >> This is way big. >> It's a giant metal dick. [laughter] You're [ __ ] [ __ ] the universe with your giant metal dick. That's >> I mean, yeah, it is. It is very big.
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>> 你们正在制造的数量之多。这是一个版本，并且即将推出新的更新版本。 >> 什么是 这是一个 有点长。嗯>>更尖锐。 >> 呃，同样是尖的。嗯，但是它的长度有点长。嗯，在舞台间，你会看到舞台间的部分有点像烧烤区。
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>> And the sheer numbers of them that you guys are making. And then this is a version and you have a new updated version that's coming soon. >> And what is the It's a It's a little longer. Um >> more pointy. >> Uh it's the same amount of pointy. Um but the there's it's it's got a bit more length. Um the the interstage, you see that that interstage section with kind of like the grill area.
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>> 嗯。 >> 嗯，现在与升压级集成了。嗯所以呃我们做了所谓的热演。呃，我们在船舶发动机仍然连接到助推器上时点燃它。所以助推发动机的推力仍在推力。仍然是它，呃，你知道它仍然被飞船的助推器推动着前进。呃，但是当我们点燃船舶发动机时，船舶发动机实际上脱离了助推器，尽管助推器发动机仍在点火。
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>> Mhm. >> Um that's uh that's now integrated with the boost stage. Um so uh we do um what's called hot staging. Uh where we light the ship engines while it's still attached to the booster. So the boost the booster engines are still thrusting. is still it's it's uh you know it's still being pushed forward by the booster of the ship. Uh but then we light the ship engines and the ship engines actually pull away from the booster even though the booster engines are still firing.
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>> 哇哦。 >> 嗯，所以它通过那个格栅部分喷出火焰，但我们将那个格栅部分集成到了火箭的下一个版本的助推级中。嗯，呃，火箭的爆炸将配备猛禽 3 发动机，这是一个巨大的改进。嗯，你可能在大厅里见过它们，因为我们有猛禽 1、2 和 3 号。您可以看到简单性的显着改进。嗯，我们也许应该在那里放一块牌匾，以显示我们减轻了多少重量、成本、提高了效率和推力。所以猛禽 3 呃你知道几乎两次
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>> Whoa. >> Um so it's blasting flame through uh that that grill section but we integrate that grill section into uh the boost stage with the next uh version of the rocket. Um and uh and explosion in the rocket will have the Raptor 3 engines which are a huge improvement. Um you may you may have seen them in the lobby because we got like the Raptor 1, two, and three. And you can see the dramatic improvement in simplicity. Um we should probably put a plaque there to also show how much the we reduced the weight uh the cost and the and improved the efficiency and the uh thrust. So the Raptor 3 uh has uh you know almost twice
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猛禽猛禽1的推力。
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the thrust of Raptor Raptor 1.
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>> 哇。 >> 所以你看到了 Raptor 3。看起来好像缺少零件。正确的。 >> 还有多少>> 非常非常干净。 >> 火箭上有多少人？ >> 助推器上有 33 个。 >> 哇哦。嗯，每个 Raptor 发动机产生的推力是 747 上所有四个发动机的两倍。哇。因此，该发动机比 747 发动机小，但产生的推力几乎是 747 发动机的 10 倍。嗯，功率重量比非常高。嗯，嗯 >> 所以当有
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>> Wow. >> So you see Raptor 3. It looks like it looks like it's got parts missing. Right. >> And how many >> It's very very clean. >> How many of them are on the rocket? >> There's 33 on the on the booster. >> Whoa. Um and and each of each Raptor engine is producing twice as much thrust as all four engines on a 747. Wow. So that engine is smaller than a 747 engine, but is producing, you know, um you know, almost 10 times the thrust of a 747 engine. Um so extremely high power to weight ratio. Um and um >> and so when there's
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>> 33 个 >> 当你设计这些时，你会看到它的效率，你会看到在哪里可以改进它，你会得到猛禽 2 你能用同样的技术，包括推进剂、点火装置和发动机，把它扩大到多少程度，比如你能走多远 >> 我的意思是，我们在这里突破物理的极限，嗯所以嗯，实际上是为了制造一枚完全可重复使用的轨道火箭，目前还没有人成功做到这一点包括包括我们。嗯但是但是呃星际飞船是第一次有这样的火箭设计，实际上完全和快速的可重复使用性
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>> 33 of them >> you when you so when you're designing these you get to Raptor one you see its efficiency you see where you can improve it you get to Raptor 2 how many how far can you scale this up with just the same sort of technology with propellant and ignition and engines like how much further can you >> I mean we're pushing the limits of physics here um so um and and really in order to to make a a fully reusable orbital rocket which no one has succeeded in doing uh yet including including us. Um but but uh Starship is the first time that there is a design for a rocket where where full and rapid reusability is actually
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可能的。所以之前并不是没有任何设计可以实现这一点。当然不是一种可以用来制作任何硬件的设计。嗯，我们只是生活在一个星球上，那里的重力非常高，就像地球的重力非常非常高一样。嗯嗯，如果重力再高 10% 或 20% 呃，我们就会永远被困在地球上。嗯，我们是的，我们不能使用当然不能使用传统火箭。你必须用核弹或其他疯狂的东西把自己炸出水面。嗯，但是另一方面，如果地球的重力稍微低一点，就像
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possible. So it was not there's not there's not even been a design before where it was possible. Certainly not a design that that that got made any hardware at all. Um just we just we just live we live on a planet uh where the gravity uh is is is quite high like earth's gravity is quite really quite quite high. Um um and if the gravity was even 10 or 20% uh higher uh we'd be stuck on Earth forever. Um like we yeah we could not use certainly couldn't use conventional rockets. You'd have to like blow yourself off the surface with like a nuclear bomb or something crazy. Um so but on the other hand if if Earth's gravity was just a little lower like
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即使比它低 10 20%，进入轨道也会很容易。所以就像是这样，如果这是一款视频游戏，它会设置为最大难度，但并非不可能。 >> 好的。 >> 嗯，这就是我们的位置。所以这并不是说其他人忽视了可重用性的概念。他们只是得出结论，这个目标太难实现了。
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even 10 20% lower it then uh getting to orbit would be easy. So it's like it's like it's like this if this was a video game it's set to like maximum difficulty but not impossible. >> Okay. >> Um so that's that's where we have um here. So it's it's not as though um others have uh ignored the concept of reusability. they've just uh concluded that it was too difficult to achieve.
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我们在 SpaceX 已经为此努力了很长时间。嗯，嗯，你知道，我是公司的总工程师。嗯，虽然我应该说，呃你知道，我们拥有一支非常有才华的工程团队。我认为我们拥有有史以来最好的火箭工程团队。嗯，与如此出色的人一起工作是我的荣幸。嗯，所以，所以，公平地说，你知道我们还没有成功地实现完全可重用性，但我们终于有了一个火箭，呃，完全可重用性是可能的。嗯，我想我想我们会
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And we've been working at on on this for a long time at at SpaceX. Um and um you know, I'm the chief engineer of the company. Um although I should say that that uh you know, we have an extremely talented engineering team. I think we've got the best uh rocket engineering team that has ever been assembled. Um uh it's it's an honor to work with such such incredible people. Um so uh so so it's fair to say that you know we have not yet succeeded in creating in achieving full reusability but we at last have a rocket uh where full reusability is possible. Um and I think I think we'll
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明年实现这一目标。所以嗯，这确实是一件大事。这之所以如此重要，是因为完全可重用性，呃，实际上将进入太空的成本降低了一百，甚至可能超过 100。所以可能有一千个。您可以将其视为任何交通方式。就像想象一下，如果飞机不可重复使用。就像你飞到某个地方一样，你像想象中的那样把飞机扔出去，就像传统火箭的工作方式一样，就像你有一架飞机，而不是降落在你的目的地，你跳伞出来，然后飞机坠毁了
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achieve it next year. So um uh that's a that's a really big deal. And the reason the reason that's that's such a big deal is that full reusability um uh drops the cost of access to space by a hundred um maybe even more than 100 actually. So could be like a thousand. The you can think of it like any mode of transport. Like imagine if aircraft were were not reusable. Like you flew somewhere, you throw the plane like like imagine if like the way the way conventional rockets work is it would be like if you had an airplane and and and instead of landing at your destination, you parachute out um and the plane crashes
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某个地方，你降落在你的办公桌前，你和你降落在目的地的降落伞上。现在这将是一次非常昂贵的旅行[笑声]，你和你需要另一架飞机才能回来。好的。嗯，但这就是世界上其他火箭的工作原理。嗯，现在 SpaceX 猎鹰火箭是唯一一枚至少大部分可重复使用的火箭。你已经看到猎鹰火箭着陆了。我们现在已经完成了 SpaceX 火箭和猎鹰 9 号火箭的 500 多次着陆。嗯，嗯，今年，你知道我们会交付，我可能不知道
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somewhere and you land at your desk and you and you land on a parachute at your destination. Now that would be a very expensive trip [laughter] and you and you'd need another plane to get back. Okay. Um, but that's how the other rockets in the world work. Um, now the SpaceX Falcon rocket is the only one that is is there that is at least mostly reusable. You've se you've seen the Falcon rocket, you know, land. We've now done over 500 landings of of the SpaceX rocket of the of the Falcon 9 rocket. Um and um and and this year um you know we we'll deliver probably I don't know
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大约 2200 到 2500 吨之间，与猎鹰 9 猎鹰重型火箭一起进入轨道，不算星际飞船的任何东西。嗯>>这主要是星链。是的，主要是 Starlink，但我们推出了很多其他产品，我们甚至在 Falcon 9 上推出了我们的竞争对手 Starlink。我们向他们收取相同的价格。相当公平。嗯，但是呃，SpaceX 今年将把大约 90% 的地球质量送入轨道。
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somewhere between 2200 and 2500 tons to orbit um with with the Falcon 9 uh Falcon Heavy rockets uh not counting anything for from Starship. Um >> and this is mostly Starlink. Yes, mostly Starling, but we launch uh many other we even launch our competitors on um competitors to Starink on on Falcon 9. We charge them the same price. Pretty fair. Um uh but uh SpaceX this year will deliver um roughly 90% of all Earth mass to orbit.
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>> 哇。 >> 嗯，剩下的 10% 嗯，大部分是由中国完成的。然后剩下的大约 4% 是世界上其他国家，包括我们美国国内的竞争对手。 >> 你知道，太空中有多少东西就像现在有多少东西漂浮在我们上方一样，这有点令人难以置信？
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>> Wow. >> Um and then of the remaining 10% um most of that is done by China. And then the then the remaining kind of roughly 4% is uh everyone else in the world including our America uh domestic competitors. >> You know um it's kind of incredible how many things are in space like how many things are floating above us now?
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>> 事情有很多。 >> 是的。 >> 有吗？ >> 对。但是是否存在一个饱和点，我们将会遇到所有这些不同卫星的问题，>>嗯，我认为只要卫星得到维护，嗯，那就没问题了。这个空间非常宽敞。嗯，就像你可以把空间想象成地球表面的同心壳。所以，嗯，你知道，那里是地球表面，但是那里是一个系列>>更大。
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>> There's a lot of things. >> Yeah. >> Is there though? >> Right. But is there a saturation point where we're going to have problems with all these different satellites that are >> um I think as long as the satellites are um maintained uh there's there it'll be fine. This space is very roomy. Um it's like you can think of um like space as being concentric shells of the surface of the earth. So, um, you know, there's there's it's the surface of the earth, but but there's it's a series >> much larger.
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>> 是的。它就像一系列同心小径。嗯，>> 想象一辆气流拖车在那儿飞来飞去。有很大的空气流通空间。 >> 是的。我的意思是，想象一下是的。如果地球上只有几千条气流。 >> 是的。 >> 他们互相撞到的几率有多大？你知道，>> 他们不会很拥挤。不，然后你必须做得更大。
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>> Yeah. It's like a series of concentric trails. Um, >> and think of an Airstream trailer flying around up there. There's a lot of room for air streams. >> Yeah. I mean, imagine Yeah. If there just a few thousand airirstreams um on on Earth. >> Yeah. >> What are the odds that they'd hit each other? You know, >> they wouldn't be very crowded. No. And then you got to go bigger.
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>> 是的。 >> 因为你面对的是远离地球的地方。 >> 距地球数百英里。 >> 是的。是的。是的。 >> 是的。所以，嗯，但 SpaceX 的目标是让火箭技术达到我们可以将生命延伸到地球以外的程度，并且我们可以在火星上建立一个自给自足的城市。呃，月球上的永久基地。那会非常酷。我的意思是，想象一下，如果我们有一个阿尔法月球基地，月球上有一个永久的科学基地。
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>> Yeah. >> Because you're dealing with far above Earth. >> Hundreds of miles above Earth. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, it's the um but the goal of SpaceX is to get rocket technology to the point where we can extend life beyond Earth and that we can establish a self-sustaining city on Mars. Uh a permanent base on the moon. That would be very cool. I mean, imagine if we had like a, you know, moon base alpha where there's like a permanent science base on the moon.
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>> 那真是太蠢了。或者至少是一个旅游陷阱。 >> 我的意思是，很多人愿意去月球只是为了游览一下。这是肯定的。我们可能可以用它来支付我们的太空计划，你知道，>>可能。是的。嗯，>> 因为这就像如果你能安全地登上月球，>> 呃我想我们会有很多人愿意为此付费，你知道。
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>> That would be pretty dope. Or at least a tourist trap. >> I mean, a lot of people be willing to go to the moon for just for a tour. That's for sure. We could probably pay for our space program with that, you know, >> probably. Yeah. Well, >> because it's like if if you if you could go to the moon with and and safely, >> uh I think we'd get a lot of people uh would would pay for that, you know.
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>>哦，100%。第一年之后，没有人因为>>是的而死。请确定一下。 [笑声] 没错。你要回来吗？是的。 >> 因为就像那艘潜艇一样，他们在那艘私人潜艇上进行了多次成功的发射，然后它爆炸并杀死了所有人。那不是一个好的设计。显然，>>这是一个非常糟糕的设计。糟糕的设计。
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>> Oh, 100%. After the first year, after nobody died for like >> Yeah. Just make sure. [laughter] Exactly. Are you going to come back? Yeah. >> Because like that submarine, they they had a bunch of successful launches in that private submarine before it imploded and killed everybody. That was not a good design. Obviously, >> it was a very bad design. Terrible design.
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>> 工程师们表示，它无法承受这些深度的压力。好像那家公司也有很多举报人。 >> 是的。嗯，他们是用呃碳纤维制成的，这没有任何意义，因为嗯，你实际上需要你需要足够密才能下降。嗯，无论如何，用钢制成。如果你用一个大型铸钢件制造出来，那就是你，你就会安全，一无所有。那么他们为什么要用碳纤维来制造它呢？便宜吗？
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>> And the engineers said it would not withstand the pressure of those depths. Like there was a lot of whistleblowers in that company too. >> Yeah. Um they they they made that out of uh carbon fiber which is it doesn't make any sense because um you actually need you need to be dense to go down. Um in any case, just make it out of steel. If you make it out of uh sort of just, you know, a big steel casting, that's that's you you'll be safe and nothing. Why would they make it out of carbon fiber then? Is it cheaper?
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>> 嗯，我认为他们认为碳纤维听起来很酷之类的。但是呃>>听起来确实很酷。 >> 这听起来很酷，但是嗯，因为它的密度是如此之低，你实际上必须添加额外的质量才能下降，因为它的密度很低。但如果你只有一个巨大的空心滚珠轴承，那就没问题了。
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>> Um I think they think carbon fiber sounds cool or something. But uh >> it does sound cool. >> It it sounds cool, but um because it's such it's such low density, you actually actually have to add extra mass to go down because it's it's low density. But if you just have a giant, you know, hollow ball bearing, uh you're going to be fine.
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>> 说到碳纤维，你检查过我未插电的特斯拉吗？ >> 是的，这很酷。 >> 病得很厉害，对吧？是的。你们有没有想过做这样的事情？就像特斯拉的 AMG 部门一样，你确实喜欢定制东西。 >> 嗯，我认为最好将其留给定制商店。呃，你知道，我们就像特斯拉的重点是自动驾驶汽车。
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>> Speaking of carbon fiber, did you check out my unplugged Tesla out there? >> Yeah, it's cool. >> Pretty sick, right? Yeah. Have you guys ever thought about doing something like that? like having like an AMG division of Tesla where you do like custom stuff. >> Um I think it's best to leave that to the custom shops. Uh you know we're we're like Tesla's focus is autonomous cars.
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嗯，你知道建造一种未来派的自动驾驶汽车。嗯，我想我们希望未来看起来像未来。嗯，那么你有没有看到我们的设计，比如机器人巴士之类的？看起来很酷。 >> 机器人巴士也是完全自动化的，但看起来很酷。它非常具有装饰艺术风格。这就像未来派装饰艺术。嗯，嗯，它确实像我认为我们想要的那样
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Um you know building kind of futuristic autonomous cars. Um so um like I think it's we want the future to look like the future. Um, so the did like did you see like our designs for like the sort of the robotic bus? It looks pretty cool. >> The robotic bus is also being totally auton but it looks it looks cool. It's it's very art deco. It's it's like it's like futuristic art deco. Um, and um, it it does it like I think we want to
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随着时间的推移改变审美。您不希望美感随着时间的推移而保持不变。你想要发展审美。嗯，所以嗯，你知道，就像我有一个儿子，他就像，你知道，他比我更加自闭，嗯，但是他有这些伟大的观察。这是谁？ >> 撒克逊人。他对世界有这些伟大的观察，因为他只是通过与大多数人不同的视角来看待世界。嗯，他说，“爸爸，为什么世界看起来像是 2015 年的？” [笑声] [清喉咙] >> 我就想，“该死，世界看起来确实像 2015 年了。”就像自 2015 年以来审美就没有发生变化一样。
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change the aesthetic over time. You don't want the aesthetic to be constant over time. You want to evolve the aesthetic. Um, so um, you know, like my like I have a son who's he's like, you know, he's he's he's like even more autistic than me and um and, uh, but he's he has these great observations. Who is this? >> A Saxon. He has these great observations in the world uh because he's he just views the world through a different lens than than most people. Um and he was like, "Dad, why does the world look like it's 2015?" [laughter] [clears throat] >> And I'm like, "Damn, the world does look like it's 2015." Like the aesthetic has not evolved since 2015.
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>>哦，看起来就是这样。 >> 是的。 >> 哦，哇。 >> 太酷了。 >> 哦，是的。这就像 >> 就像你希望看到这样的事情发生，你知道吗？ >> 是的。你会说，“好吧，这就是我们的未来。”你知道，这看起来不像 2015 年。 >> 那部古代科幻电影是什么？就像有史以来第一部科幻电影一样。是大都市吗？
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>> Oh, that's what it looks like. >> Yeah. >> Oh, wow. >> That's pretty cool. >> Oh, yeah. That's like >> like You'd want to see that going down the road, you know? >> Yeah. You'd be like, "Okay, this is we're in the future." You know, it doesn't look like 2015. >> What is that ancient science fiction movie? Like one of the first science fiction movies ever. Is it Metropolis?
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是这样吗？ >> 是的。是的。 >> 是的。看起来它属于大都会。 >> 是的。是的。这是一种未来派的装饰艺术风格。 >> 好吧。是的。嗯，你专注于美学，这很酷。我的意思是，这就是 Cybertruck 的全部交易，对吧？就像，它不必看起来像那样。 >> 不，我只是想要一些看起来非常不同的东西。
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Is that what it is? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. That looks like it belongs in Metropolis. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's a futuristic art deco. >> All right. Yeah. Well, that's cool that you're concentrating on the aesthetic. I mean, that's kind of the whole deal with Cybertruck, right? Like, it didn't have to look like that. >> No, it it I just wanted to have something that looked really different.
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人们为它投保是不是很痛苦，因为它都是实心钢，>> 嗯，我希望不会太多。我知道特斯拉确实提供保险，所以人们总是可以在特斯拉投保。 >> 嗯，但是就像Cybertruck的情况一样，形式确实遵循功能，因为嗯，正如您用穿甲箭演示的那样，嗯，因为如果您向普通卡车射箭，我的意思是>>它[笑声]正是您会在墙上找到您的箭头。是的。嗯，你知道，它至少会埋进其中一个座位里。
**English / Original**
Is it a pain in the ass for people to get it insured because it's all solid steel and >> um I hope it's not too much. I you know Tesla does offer insurance so people can always get it get it insured at Tesla. >> Um well but the like it is the form does follow a function in the case of the cybert truck because um as you demonstrated with with your armorpiercing arrow um because if you shot that arrow at a regular truck I mean >> it [laughter] exactly you would have found your arrow in the wall. Yeah. Um, you know, it would very least it would have buried into one of the seats.
## 00:34:06
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>> 是的。是的。但就像你可以一样，你绝对可以让呃获得足够的弓速度，并且向右，右箭头会穿过普通卡车的两扇门，然后落在墙上。 >> 如果两扇门之间有清晰的射击，它可能会直接穿过。 >> 正是如此。嗯，但是你知道箭头在Cybertruck上碎裂了，因为它是超硬的不锈钢。嗯。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's but like you could you could definitely make uh get enough of bow velocity and and the right the right arrow would go through both doors of a regular truck and and and land on the wall. >> If there was a clear shot between both doors, it probably would have passed right through. >> Exactly. Um but but you know the the arrow shattered on the cybert truck cuz it's it's ultra hard uh stainless. Mhm.
## 00:34:28
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>> 嗯，所以，嗯，我想拥有一辆对亚音速射弹来说是防弹的卡车会很酷。嗯，所以，嗯，你知道，尤其是在当今时代，你知道，就像如果世界末日发生一样，你会想要一辆防弹卡车，你知道。嗯，所以这样，因为它是由超热不锈钢制成的，所以你不能只是在面板上冲压。你不能直接安装冲压机，因为它会损坏冲压机。
**English / Original**
>> Um, so, um, and I thought it' be I thought it'd be cool to have a, you know, a truck that is bulletproof to a subsonic projectile. Um, so, um, you know, especially in this day and age, you know, like as as a if, if the apocalypse happens, you're going to want to have a bulletproof truck, you know. Um, so so then because because it's made of ultra hot stainless, it's you can't just stamp the the panels. You can't just put in a stamping press because it breaks the press.
## 00:34:58
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所以，为了实际上，它必须是平面的，因为它很难弯曲，因为它会损坏弯曲它的机器。嗯，这就是为什么它是这样的，它是如此平面，而且它不是呃你知道它是因为它是防弹钢是>>所以它就像四四方方的而不是弯曲的>>是的。你只是为了制造像弯曲的形状，你你你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带你带基本上低碳钢像嗯在普通卡车或汽车中退火薄和薄退火。你把温和的薄退火钢放入冲压机中
**English / Original**
So, so in order to actually, so it has to has to be planer um because it's so difficult to bend it because it breaks the machine that bends it. Um that's why that's why it's it's it's it's so planer and and it's not uh you know it's it's because it's bulletproof steel is the >> So it is like boxy as opposed to like curved and >> Yeah. You just in order to make in order to make like the curved shapes, you you you take you take uh uh basically mild steel like um anneal thin and thin anneal in a regular truck or car. The you take you take mild thin anneal steel, you put it in a stamping press
## 00:35:39
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它只是把它弄平，让它变成任何你想要的形状。但 Cybert 卡车是由超硬不锈钢制成的。嗯，所以你不能在上面盖章，因为它会损坏冲压机。所以即使弯曲也很困难。因此，即使要将其弯曲到当前位置，我们也必须过度弯曲它。嗯，所以当它弹回来时，它就处于正确的位置。
**English / Original**
and it just sm it just smooshes it and makes it to whatever the shape whatever shape you want. But the Cybert truck is made made of ultra hard stainless. Um and and and so you can't stamp it because it would break the stamping press. So it even bending it is hard. So even to bend it to uh its current position, we have to way overbend it. Um and and so it gets so that when it springs back, it's in in the right position.
## 00:36:08
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嗯，所以，呃，我不知道，我想如果你想喜欢的话，我想这是一种独特的审美。嗯，你会说，“那么，卡车有什么酷的呢？”卡车就是卡车，应该是我不知道的男子气概。他们应该有男子气概，你知道，而防弹就是最大的男子气概。 >> 你现在已经嫁给那种身材了吗？就像你能做些什么来改变它吗？
**English / Original**
Um, so it's uh I don't know like I I think if you want to like I think it's it's it's a unique aesthetic. Um, and you say, "Well, what's cool about a truck?" Trucks are trucks are like should be I don't know manly. They should be macho, you know, and bulletproof is maximum macho macho. >> Are you married to that shape now? Like is it can you do anything to change it?
## 00:36:32
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就像当你进一步了解时，我知道你们更新了三个和 Y。你们也更新了 Y 吗？ >> 是的，三个和Y 呃更新了。嗯，你知道，嗯，后面有一个屏幕供孩子们观看，例如，在新的 3 和 Y 中。嗯嗯，所以在新的 Y 中，嗯，有，你知道，有数百项改进。就像我们不断改进汽车一样。嗯，甚至是 Cybert 卡车，我们都在不断改进它。嗯，但是嗯，你知道我想做一些看起来独特的事情，并且 Cybert 卡车看起来很独特并且具有独特的功能
**English / Original**
Like as you get further like I know you guys updated the three and the Y. Did you update the Y as well? >> Yes, the the three and the Y uh are updated. Um you know, there's like a um there's there's a a screen in the back for the kid that the kids can watch, for example, in the new 3 and Y. Um uh so in the new Y, um there's, you know, it's it's an there's there's there's like hundreds of improvements. Like we keep improving the car. Um and even the Cybert truck, we you know, we keep improving it. Um but um you know I wanted to just do something that that looked unique and and the cybert truck looks unique and has unique
## 00:37:13
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功能，就像我报告的那样，就像让我们让它防弹一样，有三件事。呃，让我们让它比保时捷 911 更快。呃，我们实际上已经完成了四分之一英里。 Cybert 卡车在牵引保时捷 911 时可以行驶四分之一英里，速度比保时捷 911 还要快。嗯，它可以牵引 F350 柴油机。
**English / Original**
functionality and there was and it was like there were three things as I report like let's make it bulletproof. Uh let's uh make it faster than a Porsche 911. Uh, and we actually cleared the quarter mile. The Cybert truck, the the uh can uh clear a quarter mile while towing a Porsche 911 faster than a Porsche 911. Um, it can out tow an F350 diesel.
## 00:37:43
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>> 真的吗？ >> 是的。 >> 拖车限制是什么？ >> 我的意思是，我们可以像 747 一样用 cy 拖曳。 Cybert 卡车是一种疯狂的外星技术。好的。嗯，因为它不可能那么大那么快。呃，这不是，就像大象跑起来像猎豹一样。
**English / Original**
>> Really? >> Yes. >> What is the tow limitations? >> I mean, we could tow like a, you know, a 747 in that with a cy. Cybert truck is an insanely like it is an it is alien technology. Okay. Um cuz it it shouldn't be possible to be uh that big and that fast. Uh that doesn't it's like an elephant that runs as as like a cheetah.
## 00:38:08
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>> 是的。因为从0到60不到3秒，对吧？ >> 是的。 >> 是的。而且它是巨大的。它有多重？大约 7,000 磅。 >> 呃，是的，有不同的配置，但仅此而已。呃，这是一头野兽。 >> 是的。 [清喉咙] >> 嗯，所以，它是，它有四轮转向。所以后轮也会转向。所以它的转弯半径非常小。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Because it's 0 to 60 in less than 3 seconds, right? >> Yes. >> Yeah. And it's enormous. What does it weigh? Like 7,000 lbs. >> Uh yeah, there's different configurations, but it's about that. Uh it's a beast. >> Yeah. [clears throat] >> Um so and it's and it's got it's got four-wheel steering. So the the rear wheel steer, too. So it's got a it's got a very tight turning radius.
## 00:38:32
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>> 是的。当我们开着一辆去星际基地时，我们注意到了这一点。 >> 是的。转弯半径非常小。 >> 是的。病得很厉害。 >> 是的。 >> 你还在做Roadster吗？ >> 是的。最终，>>我们即将展示原型>>我认为这将是我我可以保证的一件事，这个产品演示将令人难忘。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. We noticed that we when we drove one to Star Base. >> Yeah. Very tight turning radius. >> Yeah. Pretty sick. >> Yeah. >> Are you still doing the Roadster? >> Yes. Eventually, >> we're getting close to demonstrating the prototype >> and I think this will be I I I I one thing I can guarantee is that this product demo will be unforgettable.
## 00:39:02
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难忘。 >> 怎么会呢？无论是好还是坏，[笑]都会令人难忘。 [喘气] 嗯，>> 你能说更多吗？你是什么意思？ >> 嗯，你知道，我的朋友彼得·蒂尔，嗯，你知道，呃，曾经反思过，未来应该有飞行汽车，但我们没有飞行汽车。 >> 那么，你会飞吗？
**English / Original**
Unforgettable. >> How so? Whether it's good or bad, [laughter] it will be unforgettable. [gasps] Um, >> can you say more? What do you mean? >> Well, you know, my friend Peter Teal, um, you know, uh, once reflected that the future was supposed to have flying cars, but we don't have flying cars. >> So, you're going to be able to fly?
## 00:39:31
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嗯，我的意思是，呃，我想如果彼得想要一辆飞行汽车，我们应该能够买一辆。 >> 那么，您正在积极考虑制造电动飞行汽车吗？这像真的吗？ >> 好了，我们来看看>>中的demo。所以，当你这样做时，就像[哼哼]你会有一个可伸缩的机翼吗？比如，这背后的想法是什么？
**English / Original**
Well, I mean, uh, I think if Peter wants a flying car, we should should be able to buy one. >> So, you are you actively considering making an electric flying car? Is this like a real thing? >> Well, we have to see in the >> in the demo. So, when you do this, like are [snorts] are you going to have a retractable wing? Like, what is the idea behind this?
## 00:40:00
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别狡猾。快点。 >> 我我我不能我不能呃在揭幕之前揭幕。嗯，但是嗯>>然后告诉我停止广播。 >> 我我我看起来我认为它有机会成为有史以来最令人难忘的产品发布会。它有一个镜头。 >> 您打算什么时候这样做？目标是什么？ >> 嗯，希望在今年年底之前。
**English / Original**
Don't be sly. Come on. >> I I I can't I can't uh do the unveil before the unveil. Um but um >> tell me off air then. >> I I I it look I I think it has a shot at being the most memorable um product unveil ever. It has a shot. >> And when do you plan on doing this? What's the goal? >> Uh hopefully before the end of the year.
## 00:40:31
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>> 真的吗？ >> 今年年底前。 >> 我的意思是我们还有几个月的时间。 >> 希望在几个月内。嗯，你知道我们需要确保它有效。呃，这就是我们在这辆车上采用的一些疯狂的技术。疯狂的技术。疯狂疯狂。与之前宣布的非常不同，>> 是的。
**English / Original**
>> Really? >> Before the end of this year. >> This is I mean we're in a couple months. >> Hopefully in a couple months. Um you know we need to make sure that it works. Uh like this is some crazy crazy technology we got in this car. Crazy technology. Crazy crazy. So different than what was previously announced and >> Yes.
## 00:41:01
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>> 这就是你还没有发布它的原因吗？因为你保留了[__]。 >> 它拥有疯狂的技术。 >> 好的。 >> 就像它是一辆车吗？我不知道。就好像它看起来像一辆车一样。我们就这么说吧。它比任何詹姆斯·邦德都疯狂。如果你把所有詹姆斯·邦德的汽车组合起来，那就更疯狂了。
**English / Original**
>> And is that why you haven't released it yet? Cuz you keep [ __ ] with it. >> It has crazy technology. >> Okay. >> Like is it even a car? I'm not sure. It's like it looks like a car. Let's just put this way. It it's it's crazier than anything James Bond. If you took all the James Bond cars and combined them, it's crazier than that.
## 00:41:28
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>> 非常令人兴奋。 >> 我不知道对此有何看法。 >> 我不知道。 >> 我从这里获取的信息量有限。 >> 杰米在那儿很可疑。看看他。 >> 兴奋。 >> 我有兴趣。 [笑声] >> 仍然会是一样的。 >> 那么，你知道吗？我的意思是，如果你愿意的话，如果你想在呃揭幕之前来一点，我可以 100% 向你展示。是的，我们走吧。
**English / Original**
>> Very exciting. >> I don't know what to think of that. >> I don't know. >> It's a limited amount of information I'm drawing from here. >> Jamie's very suspicious over there. Look at him. >> Excited. >> I'm interested. [laughter] >> It's still going to be the same. >> Well, you know what? I mean, if if you want to if you want to come a little before the uh the unveil, I can show it to you 100%. Yeah, let's go.
## 00:41:48
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>> 是的。嗯，这有点疯狂，你同时参与所有不同的事情，你知道我们在你的时间管理之前讨论过这个，但我真的不明白。我不明白你怎么能同时关注所有这些不同的事情。 Starlink、SpaceX、Tesla，无聊的 X 公司，你整天都在发推文或发帖 [__]。嗯，这更像是我，我可以跳进去两分钟，然后跳出来，你知道。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Um it's uh it's kind of crazy all the different things that you're involved in simultaneously and you know we talked about this before your time management but I I really don't understand it. I don't understand how you can be paying attention to all these different things simultaneously. Starlink, SpaceX, Tesla, boring company X you're tweet you [ __ ] tweet or post rather all day long. Well, it's more like I'm I'm I could hop in for like two minutes and then hop out, you know.
## 00:42:21
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>> 但我的意思是，事实上你可以做>> 上厕所或者其他什么，你知道，>> 我不能那样做。 >> 嗯>> 如果我跳进去，我就会开始滚动并开始环顾四周。接下来你知道，我损失了一个小时。 >> 是的。 >> 嗯，不，这对我来说通常是几分钟的时间。有时我猜是半个小时，但通常我会呆几分钟，然后在 X 上发布一些东西。呃，你知道，我有时确实觉得有时就像那个丢手榴弹并离开房间的人的模因。
**English / Original**
>> But I mean, just the fact that you could do >> bathroom break or whatever, you know, >> I can't do that. >> Um >> if I hop in, I start scrolling and I start looking around. Next thing you know, I've lost an hour. >> Yeah. >> Um so, no, it's for me it's it's a couple minutes time usually. It's once in a Sometimes I guess it's half an hour, but usually I'm I'm I'm in for a few minutes then out of of you know, posting something on X. Uh, you know, it's I do sometimes feel like it's sometimes like that that meme of the guy who's like who drops the grenade and leaves the room.
## 00:42:50
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[笑声] 我在 X 上不止一次出现过这样的情况。 >> 是的。 [笑声]哦，是的。是的，当然。嗯，不过，这一定很有趣。知道你基本上扰乱了整个社交媒体指挥链一定很有趣，因为社交媒体正在发生非常明显的事情。政府已经渗透其中。他们正在审查言论>>，直到你购买它之前，我们真的不知道它的程度。我们有点假设有什么事情正在发生。
**English / Original**
[laughter] That's been me more than once on on X. >> Yeah. [laughter] Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Um, it's got to be fun, though. It's got to be fun to know that you essentially disrupted the entire social media chain of command because there was a there was a very clear thing that was going on with social media. The government had infiltrated it. They were censoring speech >> and until you bought it, we really didn't know the extent of it. We kind of assumed that there was something going on.
## 00:43:23
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>> 是的。我们不知道他们积极参与审查真实的新闻故事、真实的数据、真正的科学家、真正的教授，他们被压制、驱逐、踢出平台。 >> 是的。 >> 野生。 >> 是的。 >> 是的。 >> 因为说实话。 >> 因为说实话。我相信你也有这样的感觉，因为我发给你的图表显示，当你购买 Twitter 时，被认定为跨性别者和非二元性别的青少年实际上就停止了活动，而当人们现在被允许进行理性讨论并实际谈论它时，他们就开始跌落悬崖。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. We had no idea that they were actively involved in censoring actual real news stories, real data, real scientists, real professors silenced, expelled, kicked off the platform. >> Yeah. >> Wild. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> For telling the truth. >> For telling the truth. And I'm sure you've also because I sent it to you that chart that shows uh young kids, teenagers identifying as trans and non-binary literally stops dead when you bought Twitter and starts falling off a cliff when people are allowed to have rational discussions now and actually talk about it.
## 00:43:58
**中文**
>> 是的。 >> 是的。 >> 嗯是的。是的，我的意思是，我当时说过，我认为收购 Twitter 的原因是因为它正在造成文明层面的破坏。嗯，嗯，我的意思是，我当时在 Twitter 上发了推文，嗯，这是，嗯，你知道，这是，嗯，这是世界的虫舌。
**English / Original**
>> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Um Yeah. Yeah, I mean I I said at the time like I think that like the the like the reason for acquiring Twitter is because um it was it it was c it was causing destruction at a civilizational level. Um it was um I mean I posted I tweeted on on Twitter at the time that um it it is um you know it's it's uh worm tongue for the world.
## 00:44:28
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嗯，你知道，就像《指环王》中的虫舌一样，他会向国王耳语这些“你知道可怕的事情”，这样国王就会相信这些不是真的的事情，嗯，不幸的是，推特真的得到了它，就像觉醒的暴徒本质上他们控制了推特，他们正在向世界推送一种虚无主义的反邪恶思想病毒。嗯，你可以在旧金山的街道上看到这种精神病毒的结果，呃，在那里，你知道，旧金山市中心看起来就像僵尸末日。嗯，你知道，这很糟糕。
**English / Original**
um you know like Worm Tongue from Lord of the Rings uh where he would just sort of like whisper these you know terrible things to the king so the king would believe these things that weren't true um and and um unfortunately uh Twitter really got it got like the the the woke mob essentially they controlled Twitter um and they were pushing uh a nihilistic anti-vilizational mind virus to the world. Um, and you can see the results of that mind virus on the streets of San Francisco, uh, where, you know, downtown San Francisco looks like a zombie apocalypse. Um, you know, it's it's bad.
## 00:45:10
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嗯，所以我们不希望整个世界成为僵尸末日。嗯，但这本质上是他们在向世界推行这种非常消极、虚无主义、不真实的世界观，这造成了很大的损害。嗯，所以>>令人惊奇的是很少有人纠正方向。一群人猛地惊醒，意识到发生了什么事。那些在 2015 年或 16 年左右加入类似觉醒意识形态的人，然后最终它影响了他们，或者他们在工作场所看到了它，或者他们看到了，他们就像，“哇，哇，哇，我们必须阻止这一切。”
**English / Original**
Um, so we don't want the whole world to be a zombie apocalypse. Um, but that's uh that that that was essentially they were pushing this very negative, nihilistic, untrue worldview on the world and it was causing a lot of damage. Um, so >> the stunning thing about it is how few people course corrected. A bunch of people woke up and realized what was going on. People that were all on board with like woke ideology in maybe 2015 or 16 and then and then eventually it comes to affect them or they see it in their workplace or they see and they're like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, we got to stop this."
## 00:45:47
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很多人都这样做了，但很多人从未纠正过方向。 >> 是的。嗯，很多人的做法都不正确，但是嗯，但它已经消失了，它的方向是正确的，就像你提到的那样，被认为是跨性别者的孩子数量大幅增加，然后在 Twitter 收购后，这一数字又下降了。我认为，嗯，只是让真相被告知，嗯，正如他们所说，只要让阳光照射就是最好的消毒剂，只要让阳光照射就可以杀死病毒>>，它也改变了所有其他平台的基准。是的，你不能
**English / Original**
Bunch of people did, but a lot of people never course corrected. >> Yeah. Um, a lot of a lot of people didn't course correct, but um, but it's gone directionally in it's gone it's it's directionally correct like you mentioned like the like the massive spike in in kids identifying as trans and then that that spike dropping um after the the Twitter acquisition. I think that um simply allowing the truth to be told um was that just shedding sun sunlight is the best disinfectant as they say and just allowing sunlight um kills the virus >> and it also changed the benchmark for all the other platforms. Yes, you can't
## 00:46:29
**中文**
只要公开审查人和所有其他平台，X 就可用。所以其他人都有一个 所以就像 Facebook 宣布他们正在改变 YouTube 宣布他们正在改变他们的政策一样，他们有点被迫 然后蓝天加倍。 [笑声] >> 好吧，就像问题一样>> 呃，本质上，唤醒的心灵病毒退却到了蓝天。
**English / Original**
just openly censor people and all the other platforms and X is available. So everybody else had a So like Facebook announced they were changing YouTube announced they were changing their policies and they're kind of forced to And then blue sky doubled down. [laughter] >> Well, like the problem is like if >> uh essentially the woke mind virus retreated to woke to to blue sky.
## 00:46:51
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>> 是的。 >> 嗯，但这就是他们只是一个自我强化的疯狂任务。 >> 他们都只是戴着三重面具。我[笑]我完全在蓝天上观看了这次交流，有人说他们只是想对某件事保持禅宗，然后有人立即插话，你为什么不尝试通过说一些禅宗的话来停止对亚洲人的种族主义，说我想对某件事保持禅宗。他们指责那个人对亚洲人有种族歧视。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. >> Um but it's where they're just a self-reinforcing lunatic assign. >> They're all just triple masked. I [laughter] I was I was totally watching this exchange on a blue sky where someone said that they're just trying to be zen about something and then someone a moderator immediately chimed in and why don't you try to stop being racist against Asians by saying something zen by saying I'm trying to be zen about something. They were accusing that person of being racist towards Asians.
## 00:47:21
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>> 是的。只是每个人都是那里的大厅监视器[笑声]。最差的大厅监视器。处女般的乱伦。 >> 他们都是家庭监视器，试图互相告密。 >> 是的，这[笑声]很有趣。然后人们说：“我要像史蒂芬·金一样去蓝天。”几周后，他又回到了 X。就像，“操，那边没人。都是一群疯狂的人。”
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. It's it's just it's just everyone's a hall monitor over [laughter] there. the worst hall monitor. A virgin like incel. >> They're all home monitors trying to rat on each other. >> Yeah, it's [laughter] fascinating. And then people say, "I'm leaving for blue sky like Stephen King." And then a couple weeks later, he's back on X. Just like, "Fuck it. It's there's no one over there. It's all a bunch of crazy people.
## 00:47:43
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你只能在疯人院待这么久[笑声]。就像，好吧，这不好。”他们都保释了。 >> 是的。是的。 >> 线程也有点像那样。线程是 >> 我'我一直在线程上，就像这样？好吧，会发生什么，如果你上 Instagram，时不时会在线程上弹出一些非常愚蠢的东西，比如 [__]，它会在 Instagram 上向你显示，然后我会点击它，然后我会转到线程，就像 >> 你看帖子有大约 25 个赞，比如名人，比如 50 个，就像它已经被关闭了 >> 但在那里发帖的人发现，疯狂的意识形态几乎没有什么阻力，所以他们去了那里，吐出废话，
**English / Original**
You can only stay [laughter] in the asylum for so long. Like, all right, this this is not good." They all bail. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Threads is kind of like that, too. Threads is >> I' I've been on threads as is it? Well, what happens is if you go on Instagram, every now and then it'll something really stupid will pop up on threads like what the [ __ ] and it shows it to you on Instagram and then I'll click on that and then I'll go to threads and it's like >> you see posts with like 25 likes like famous people like 50 like it's it's down >> but the people that post on there they're finding that there's very little push back from insane ideology so they go there and they spit out nonsense and
## 00:48:23
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很少有人跳出来争论。你。
**English / Original**
very few people jump in to argue. you.
## 00:48:27
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>> 是的。嗯，>>非常奇怪，非常奇怪的地方。 >> 我的意思是，通过查看 X 上出现的内容，我通常可以感受到正在起飞的感觉，因为那仍然是公共城镇广场。嗯，>> 以及呃或者或者或者呃你知道什么链接会出现在群组文本中，你知道，如果我和朋友在群聊中，比如什么地方什么链接会显示？
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Um, >> very weird, very weird place. >> I mean, I can generally get the vibe of like what's taking off by seeing what's showing up on X cuz that's the public town square still. Um, >> and uh or or uh you know what what links show up in group texts, you know, if I'm in group chat with friends, like where where what what links are showing up?
## 00:48:45
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>> 这就是我现在正在尝试做的事情。只获取出现在我的群组文本中的内容，因为这可以让我保持高效。所以，我只检查是否有人会说：“伙计，搞什么鬼？”就像，“好吧，[__] 是什么，让我看看。” >> 如果有什么事情足够疯狂，你会的，它会以群聊结束，>> 但总有一些事情。这就是疯狂之处。加州总是会通过一些新的法律，做一些新的疯狂的事情。这就像很大一部分发生在加利福尼亚州。我得到的最荒谬的事情。 [叹气] >> 是的。
**English / Original**
>> That's what I try to do now. Only get stuff that shows up in my group text because that keeps me productive. So, I only check if someone's like, "Dude, what the fuck?" like, "All right, what the [ __ ] Let me check it out." >> If there's something that's crazy enough that your it'll it'll end with the group chat, >> but there's always something. That's what's nuts. There's always some new law that's passed, some new insane thing that California is doing. And it's like like a giant chunk of it's happening in California. The most preposterous things that I get. [sighs] >> Yeah.
## 00:49:14
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>> 然后加文·纽瑟姆到处跑说我们都有加州精神错乱综合症。他就像抄袭特朗普的精神错乱并称其为加州精神错乱。我当时想，“不，不，不，不，不，不。[__]有多少家公司离开了加州？” >> 太疯狂了。 >> 数百个。数百个，>> 对吧？数百个。
**English / Original**
>> And then you got Gavin Newsome who's running around saying we all have California derangement syndrome. He's just like ripping off Trump derangement and calling it California derangement. I was like, "No, no, no, no, no, no. The the [ __ ] How many corporations have left California?" >> It's crazy. >> Hundreds. Hundreds, >> right? Hundreds.
## 00:49:32
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>> 这不太好。 >> 我指的是小鸡，不是福来鸡。我的意思是，呃，我认为 In-N-Out 已经离开了。 >> 是的。进出。他们搬到了田纳西州。 >> 是的。 >> 是的。他们会说，“我们不能再这样做了。” >> 对。 >> 这是一家加州食品公司。这就像有史以来最棒的汉堡店。 >> 太棒了。 >> 是的。
**English / Original**
>> That's not good. >> Chick I mean, not Chick-fil-A. I mean, uh I think In-N-Out left. >> Yeah. In and Outlift. They moved to Tennessee. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They're like, "We can't do this anymore." >> Right. And >> it's the California company for food. It's like the greatest hamburger place ever. >> It's awesome. >> Yeah.
## 00:49:47
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>> 是的。不，实际上谈到像开源一样，就像像你一样公开地看待事物，我只是喜欢进出并看到他们制作汉堡。 >> 是的。它就在那里。 >> 他们切洋葱，你知道，你只是看到一切都在你面前制作。 >> 是的。 >> 太棒了。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. And no, actually speaking of like like just sort of open source and like looking at things openly like you I just like going in and out and seeing them make the burger. >> Yeah. It's right there. >> They chop the onions and they they you know it's you just see everything getting made in front of you. >> Yeah. >> It's great.
## 00:50:03
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>> 嗯，但是，是的，[笑声] 就像应该有多少次警钟一样，你需要说加州需要改革，你知道吗？ >> 纽瑟姆所做的一件疯狂的事情是，每当有人提出加州的问题时，他就开始滔滔不绝地讲述所有积极的一面。世界500强企业最多，学历最高。但是，是的，这一切在你担任州长之前就已经存在了。
**English / Original**
>> Um but yeah [laughter] like like it should be like how many wakeup calls do you need to say that there needs to be reform in California, you know? >> Well, the crazy thing that Newsome does is whenever someone brings up the problems in California, he starts rattling off all the positives. the most Fortune 500 companies, highest education. But yeah, that was all already there, right before you were governor.
## 00:50:24
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>> 但是有多少财富 500 强企业离开了加州？ >> 然后你们为无家可归者花费了 240 亿美元，情况变得更糟。 >> 是的。就像无家可归的人口翻倍之类的，但人们不理解无家可归的事情，因为它有点祈祷人们的同理心，我认为我们应该有同理心。嗯，我们应该尽力帮助人们。嗯，但是，呃，无家可归的工业园区确实是个黑暗的人。嗯，这个非政府组织网络应该被称为“毒品僵尸农民”。嗯，因为他们是更多无家可归的人，而且真的很喜欢当你遇到这样的人时
**English / Original**
>> But but how many Fortune 500 companies have left California? >> And then you guys spent $ 24 billion on the homeless and it got way worse. >> Yes. Like the homeless population doubled or something like but like people don't understand like the homeless thing because it it sort of prays on people's empathy and I I think we should have empathy. Um and we should try to help people. Um but the the the uh the homeless industrial complex is is really it's it's it's dark man. Um it should be that that that that network of NGOs's should be called like the drug zombie farmers. Um because they they the the more homeless people and and and really like when you when you meet like
## 00:51:05
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你知道有人像死了一样在街上拖着脚步走着，腿上还挂着一根针。无家可归是一个错误的词。就像无家可归者意味着有人拖欠了抵押贷款，如果他们得到一份工作机会，他们就会重新站起来。但我的意思是，你看到这些人们只是拖着脚步的视频，你知道，他们正在服用芬太尼。他们就像，>>你知道，在街道中间拉屎[清喉咙]，你知道，他们就像开放性疮口之类的东西。
**English / Original**
you know somebody who's like totally dead inside shuffling along down the street with a with a needle dang dangling out of their leg. Homeless is the wrong word. Like the homeless implies that somebody got a little behind in their mortgage payments and if they just got a job offer, they'd be back on their feet. But someone who's I mean, you see these videos of people that are just shuffling, you know, they're on fentanyl. They're they're like, >> you know, taking a dump in the middle [clears throat] of the street, you know, and they they got like open sores and stuff.
## 00:51:35
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>> 他们不像一滴报价就能重新站起来，>> 对吧？这不是无家可归的问题。 >> 无家可归是一个宣传词，>> 对吗？嗯，然后你知道这些慈善机构呃询问他们得到的钱与无家可归者或毒品僵尸的数量成比例。
**English / Original**
>> They're not like one drop offer away from getting back on their feet, >> right? This is not a homeless issue. >> Homeless is it's it's a propaganda word, >> right? Um so and and then the the the the you know these sort of charities uh inquiries are they they get money proportionate to the number of homeless people or or number of drug zombies.
## 00:51:57
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>> 所以他们的激励结构是最大化毒品僵尸的数量而不是最小化它。 >> 嗯，这就是为什么他们不逮捕毒贩>> 因为如果他们逮捕毒贩，毒品僵尸就会离开。所以他们知道毒贩是谁。他们不是故意逮捕他们的。呃，因为否则毒品僵尸就会离开，他们就会停止从加利福尼亚州和所有慈善机构获得资金。
**English / Original**
>> So their incentive structure is to maximize the number of drug zombies not minimize it. >> Um that's why they don't arrest the drug dealers >> because if they arrest the drug dealers the drug zombies leave. So they know who the drug dealers are. They don't arrest them on purpose. Uh because otherwise the drug zombies would leave and they would they would stop getting money from the state of California and from from all the charities.
## 00:52:22
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>> 等一下。所以他们 所以他们是真的吗？那么他们正在与执法部门就此进行协调吗？ >> 是的。 >> 那么他们如何召开这些会议呢？ >> 他们都是同谋。 >> 好吧，当你发现这个>> 就像这样，这就是一个邪恶的骗局。呃，旧金山征收了这项税，这个总收入税，呃，它甚至不是对收入征税，而是对旧交易征税，这就是为什么 Stripe um 和 Square 以及一大群金融公司必须迁出旧金山，因为它不是对收入征税，而是对交易征税。因此，如果您确实喜欢数万亿美元的交易，那它就不是收入。您对任何资金流向都要缴税
**English / Original**
>> Wait a minute. So So they So they is that real? So they're in coordination with law enforcement on this? >> Yeah. >> So how do they how do they have those meetings? >> They're all in cahoots. >> Well, when you find this >> it's like such it's it's this is a diabolical scam. Um so uh and and San Francisco has got this tax this this gross receipts tax uh which which um it's not even on revenue, it's on old transactions which is why Stripe um and Square and and and a whole bunch of financial companies had to move out of San Francisco because it wasn't a tax on revenue, it's taxed on transactions. So if if you did like, you know, trillions of dollars transactions, it's not revenue. You're taxed on any money going
## 00:53:01
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通过旧金山的系统。嗯，嗯，就像杰克·多西指出的那样，他们说他们必须将 Square 从旧金山搬到奥克兰，我认为 Stripe 必须从旧金山搬到南旧金山的另一个城市。嗯，这笔钱流向了通过税收的无家可归的工业园区。
**English / Original**
through the system in San Francisco. Um so um like Jack Dorsey pointed this out and they said like that they had had to move Square from San Francisco to uh Oakland I think uh Stripe had to move from San Francisco to South San Francisco different city. Um and that money uh goes to the homeless industrial complex that that tax that was passed.
## 00:53:24
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嗯，嗯，所以，正如你指出的那样，每年有数十亿美元流向呃这些由国家资助的非政府组织。就像不清楚如何关闭它一样。嗯，这是一个自舔蛋卷冰淇淋的情况。嗯，所以呃，他们得到的钱基本上与无家可归者或毒品僵尸的数量成正比。嗯，所以他们试图保留他们试图实际增加的资金，因为就像在某些情况下，有人做了分析，当你把所有流动的资金加起来时，他们已经接近一百万了
**English / Original**
Um so um so there's billions of dollars that go as you pointed out billions of dollars every year that go to uh these um non-governmental organizations that are funded by the state. Like there's it's not clear how to turn this off. Um it's a self-licking ice cream cone situation. Um so uh they get this money the money is proportionate to the number of of homeless people or or number of drug zombies essentially. Um, so they they they try to keep the that they try to actually increase because that like like in in some cases like there's it's it's somebody did an analysis when you add up all the money that's flowing, they're getting close to a million
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每个无家可归者每个毒品僵尸美元。大约有 90 万美元或者一些疯狂的资金将流向这些组织。如果是这样的话，他们想让人们勉强活着。他们需要让他们留在该地区，这样他们才能获得收入。嗯嗯某某这就是为什么就像说他们不逮捕毒贩因为否则毒品僵尸会离开嗯和他们但是他们不希望你必须拥有太多如果他们得到太多毒品然后他们就会死。所以他们被困在这种永久的上瘾区域，但嗯，但只是勉强活着。
**English / Original**
dollars per homeless per per drug zombie. It's like $900,000 or something like some crazy amount of money is is is going to these organizations. So if if so so they want to keep people just barely alive. They need to keep them in the area so they so they they get the revenue. Uh uh so and so that's why like said they don't arrest the drug dealers because otherwise the drug zombies would leave um and and and and they but but they don't want you have to have too much if they get too much drugs and they then they die. So it's they they're kept in this sort of perpetual zone of of being addicted but um but but just just barely alive.
## 00:54:45
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>> 那么，这如何与类似不起诉人的地方检察官协调呢？因此，当他们雇用或推动资助最进步、最左翼的DAS的竞选活动时，他们就会让他们上台。 >> 顺便说一句，我们在奥斯汀也遇到了这个问题。 >> 你看到那个在图书馆被枪杀的人了吗？
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>> So how is this coordinated with like DAs DAs that don't prosecute people? So when they when they hire the or they push so they they fund the campaigns of the most progressive, most out there leftwing DAS, they get them into office. >> We've got that issue in Austin, too, by the way. >> You see that guy that got shot in the library?
## 00:55:05
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>> 没有。>> 是的，我听说有人在图书馆被枪杀。 >> 我想这就像上周一样，>> 对吧？ >> 嗯，我的一些朋友告诉我，像图书馆这样的地方是不安全的。就像他们带孩子去图书馆，奥斯汀图书馆里有危险的人，我就像图书馆里的危险人一样，这很奇怪，基本上就像[笑声]图书馆里的毒品僵尸中的呃毒品僵尸一样。
**English / Original**
>> No. >> Yeah, I heard a guy got shot and killed in the library. >> I think that was just like last week or something, >> right? >> Um so some friends of mine were telling me that that like the library is unsafe. like they took their kids to the library and and there were like dangerous people in the library in Austin and I was like dangerous people in the library like that's a strange it basically got like got like uh drug zombies in [laughter] drug zombies in the library.
## 00:55:31
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>> 天哪。 >> 嗯>> 就在那时有人被枪杀了。 >> 是的，我相信这应该上新闻。你或许可以把它拉起来。嗯，但我认为就在上周左右，奥斯汀的图书馆发生了枪击事件。嗯，因为奥斯汀，你知道，我们就在这里，这是德克萨斯州最自由的地区。嗯>>所以嫌疑人参与了周六的枪击事件，奥斯汀公园图书馆被指控当天早些时候在 Cap Metro 巴士上发生了另一起枪击事件。根据一份逮捕令宣誓书，奥斯汀警方在中午左右图书馆枪击事件发生后不久逮捕了 55 岁的哈罗德·牛顿·基恩 (Harold Newton Keen)。 1人暂无生命危险
**English / Original**
>> Oh Jesus. >> Um >> and that's when someone got shot. >> Yeah, I believe this was should be on the news. You might might be able to pull it up. Um but I think it was just in the last week or so that uh uh there was a shooting in the library in Austin. Um cuz Austin's got, you know, it's it's the most liberal part of Texas that we're in right right here. Um >> so suspect involved the shooting Austin Park Library Saturday is accused of another shooting at the Cap Metro bus earlier that day. According to an arrest warrant affidavit, Austin police arrested Harold Newton Keen, 55 short uh shortly after the shooting of the library, which occurred around noon. One person sustained non-life-threatening
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事件中受伤。在那次枪击事件之前，基恩被指控在一次公共汽车事故中开枪射杀了另一人，据报道，他还用枪指着一名儿童。所以，这就是下面这个家伙。 >> 所以，就像我们这里遇到了一个严重的问题一样。嗯>>是的，>>你知道，所以我认为其中一个人可能也被他射杀了。嗯，嗯，就像我认为我认为确实流血过多的人之一。嗯>>但不管怎样，被枪杀还是很糟糕。嗯，受害者告诉警方，他遇到了嫌疑人，嫌疑人开始吃似乎是冰毒的东西。
**English / Original**
injuries in the event. Before that shooting, Keane was accused of shooting another person in a bus incident and after reportedly pointing his gun at a child. So, this is the fella down here. >> So, like we just have a seriously have a problem here. Um >> yeah, >> you know, so I I think one of the people might have died too that he shot. Um so, um like one of the people I think I think did bleed out. Um >> but either way, it's like getting shot is still bad. Um it says uh the victim told police it confronted the suspect who started to eat what appeared to be crystal methamphetamine.
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根据证词，受害人告诉嫌疑人开始绊倒，当时受害人下了公交车。受害者告诉公交车司机按下了紧急按钮，然后在转身离开观察者时下了公交车。黑人男子此时站在公交车前部，用枪指着他。受害者告诉这名黑人男子开了一发子弹，擦伤了他的左臀部。所以他向那个人开枪，然后另一个人在图书馆被枪杀。乐趣。
**English / Original**
According to the affidavit the victim advised the suspect uh began to trip out at which time the victim exited the bus. Victim told the bus driver hit the panic button and then exited the bus when he turned around the observer. Black male was now standing at the front of the bus with the gun pointed at him. The victim advised the black male fired a single round which grazed his left hip. So he shot at that dude and then another dude got shot in the library. Fun.
## 00:57:16
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>> 是的。我是说在图书馆。 >> 是的。 >> 你知道，你应该在哪里读书。嗯，图书馆里有一个儿童区，说他用枪指着一个孩子。我的意思是，美国确实存在一个严重的问题，反复发生的暴力犯罪者需要被监禁，>>对吧？嗯，呃，你知道，你知道有人被逮捕了大约 47 次，对吧？就像字面意思一样。
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>> Yeah. I mean in the library. >> Yeah. >> You know, where you're supposed to be reading books. Um and there's a children's section in the library and says he pointed his gun at a at a kid. I mean like we do have a serious issue in the in in in America where um repeat violent offenders need to be incarcerated, >> right? Um, and uh, you know, you got you got cases where somebody's been arrested like 47 times, right? Like literally.
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好吧，这只是他们被捕的次数，而不是他们做事的次数。就像他们做事的大多数时候一样，他们没有被捕。嗯，>> 因此，请向人们展示这一点，以便他们了解这是如何发生的。 >> 是的。而关键就是这样，祈求人们的同理心。就像如果你是一个好人，你希望世界上发生好事，你会想，好吧，我们应该照顾那些运气不好的人，或者你知道生活中遇到困难的人。我应该同意。但我们不应该做的就是将暴力毒品僵尸放在可能伤害其他人的公共场所。嗯，那就是
**English / Original**
Okay, that's just the number of times they were arrested, not the number of times they did things. Like most of the times they do things, they're not arrested. Um, >> so lay this out for people so they understand how this happens. >> Yeah. And and the key is like this, it prays on people's empathy. episode like if you're a good person, you want good things to happen in the world, you're like, well, we should take care of people who uh you know uh you know who are down in their luck or you know having a hard time in life. And I we should I agree. But what we shouldn't do uh is is put people who are violent drug zombies uh in public places where they can hurt other people. Um, and that's
## 00:58:18
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这就是我们正在做的事情，我们刚刚看到一个人，你知道，在图书馆被枪杀，然后但甚至在此之前，他开枪射击另一个人，并将枪指向一个孩子。嗯，那个人可能之前被捕过很多次。嗯，你知道那个人用刀刺伤了乌克兰女子竞技场。
**English / Original**
what that is what we're doing that we just saw where a a guy, you know, got shot uh shot in the library and then but even before that he shot another guy um and pointed his gun at a kid. Um that that that guy probably has like many prior arrests. Um you know there was that that that guy that that that knifed uh the Ukrainian woman Arena.
## 00:58:40
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>> 是的。 >> 嗯是的。你知道，嗯，她只是安静地打电话，你一上来，你就知道她基本上被毁了。 >> 不是有一个疯狂的故事吗，涉及的法官之前曾与此人打过交道，他也投资于康复中心，并正在发送这些>> 利益冲突。
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>> Yes. >> Um yeah. and you know um and she was just she was just quietly on her phone and you just came up and you know gutted her basically. >> Wasn't there a crazy story about the judge who was involved who had previously dealt with this person was also invested in a rehabilitation center and was sending these >> conflict of interest.
## 00:59:05
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>> 是的。所以派人说他们正在收费 是的。去康复中心而不是把他们关进监狱，从这个康复中心获利，让他们回到街上。是的。暴力、疯狂的人。 >> 在这种情况下，我相信法官没有法律学位，也没有丰富的法律经验，无法让他们成为一名法官。他们刚刚被任命为法官。就像>>你没有法律学位也可以成为一名法官。
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>> Yes. So sending people that they were charging Yeah. to a rehabilitation center instead of putting them in jail, profiting from this rehabilitation center, letting them back out on the street. Yes. Violent, insane people. >> And and there um in that case that I believe that judge uh has no legal law degree uh or a significant legal experience that would allow them to be a judge. They were just made a judge. That there's like >> you could be a judge without a law degree.
## 00:59:32
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>> 是的。 >> 哇。 >> 是的。 >> 你可以只是一个 所以我可以是一个法官。 >> 是的。哦，令人兴奋。 >> 有人吗？ >> 这太疯狂了。我以为你必须去 这就像如果你想成为一名医生，你必须去医学院。我想如果你要成为一名法官，>>如果你要被任命为法官，你必须证明你对法律有很好的了解，并且你会根据法律做出决定。这就是我们假设应该的。
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>> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> You could just be a So I could be a judge. >> Yeah. Oh, exciting. >> Anyone? >> That's crazy. I thought you'd have to It's like if you want to be a doctor, you have to go to medical school. I thought if you're going to be a judge, >> if you're going to be appointed to a judge, you have to have proven that you have an uh excellent knowledge of the law and that you will make your decisions according to the law. That's what we assume should be.
## 00:59:57
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>> 这就是你获得长袍的方式，>> 对吗？ >> 除非你这样做，否则你不会得到长袍，>> 你知道，>> 必须去学校才能得到长袍。 >> 你必须知道法律是什么，>> 对吗？然后你需要根据法律做出决定>>基于你已经知道的东西，因为你读过它，因为你上过学。是的。不是你刚刚被任命的。
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>> That's how you get the robe, >> right? >> You don't get the robe unless you do, >> you know, >> got to go to school to get the robe. >> You got to know what the law is, >> right? And then you're going to need to make decisions in accordance with the law >> based on stuff that you already know cuz you read it cuz you went to school for it. Yes. Not you just got appointed.
## 01:00:13
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>> 有共鸣。 [笑声] 作为一名法官，你不能只是装腔作势。 >> 作为一个左翼苦力。所以你得到了疯狂的左翼 DAS。 >> 是的。 >>就像我应该说左翼，因为左翼>>过去很正常。 >> 是的。左翼只是意味着像是的。你就像以前的左派一样支持言论自由。是的。现在他们反对了。
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>> Got vibes. [laughter] You can't be just vibing as a judge. >> Vibing as a leftwing drudge. So you got crazy leftwing DAS. >> Yes. >> Like I should say leftwing cuz leftwing >> used to be normal. >> Yeah. Left wing just meant like like Yeah. You're like the left used to be like pro pro- free speech. Yeah. And now they're against it.
## 01:00:35
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>>它曾经像进步同性恋权利、支持女性的选择权、支持少数民族、支持，你知道，>>就像，是的，就像20年前，我不知道，它曾经像左翼会像同理心的政党，或者像，你知道，关心和友善之类的事情。 >> 嗯，不是那种镇压异见和镇压言论自由的政党。嗯，嗯，你知道疯狂的监管，嗯，只是嗯，你超级挑剔，称每个人都是纳粹，嗯，你知道，嗯，就像我认为他们称你和我为纳粹，你知道>>哦，是的，我是纳粹[笑声]>>我不，我有朋友是喜剧演员，他们称你为纳粹，我很生气
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>> It used to be like prog gay rights, pro women's right to choose, pro- minorities, pro, you know, >> like, yeah, like 20 years ago, I don't know, it it used to be like left would be like the the the party of empathy or like, you know, caring and being nice and that kind of thing. >> Um, not not the party of like crushing dissent and crushing free speech. um and uh you know crazy regulation uh and and just um and being super judgy u and calling everyone a Nazi um you know um like I think they called you and me Nazis you know >> oh yeah I'm a Nazi [laughter] >> I no I have friends that are comedians that called you a Nazi and I got pissed
## 01:01:16
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哦，是的，是的，绝对是纳粹，不，因为你做了那件事，我的心与你同在，每个人，所有人，所有人。毫不夸张地说，蒂姆·沃尔斯、克拉·哈里斯，他们每个人都做到了。他们都做到了。 >> 就像，就像你如何指向人群？是的。你如何向人群挥手？ >> 你知道吗，每当我在 UFC 称重过程中遇到麻烦时（笑声），CNN 就会使用我的照片？如果 UFC 称重，我会说：“大家好，欢迎参加称重。” [笑声] 所以他们从侧面抓住了我。那就是他们使用的照片。
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off Oh yeah yeah yeah definitely a Nazi no because you did that thing at the My heart goes out to you everyone everyone All of them. Literally, Tim Walls, Kla Harris, every one of them did it. They all did it. >> Like, like h how do you point at the crowd? Yeah. How do you wave at the crowd? >> Do you know CNN was using a photo of me whenever I got in trouble [laughter] during co >> from the UFC weigh-ins? And if the UFC weigh-ins, I go, "Hey everybody, welcome to the weigh-ins." [laughter] And so they were getting me from the side. And that was the photo that they used.
## 01:01:49
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阴谋论者播客乔·罗。 [笑声]就像他们用的那样。 >> 是的。是的。但这就是今天的左派。它非常挑剔，称每个人都是纳粹，并试图压制言论自由。 >> 是的。最终你没有人可以指责，因为人们生气了然后离开了。 >> 是的。每个人都像这样，不再坦白地说，被称为种族主义者或纳粹或其他什么并不重要，因为>>仍在录音。
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Conspiracy theorist podcaster Joe Ro. [laughter] Like that's what they used. >> Yeah. Yeah. But that's what the left is today. It's super judgy and calling everyone a Nazi and trying to suppress freedom of speech. >> Yeah. And eventually you run out of people to accuse because people get pissed off and they leave. >> Yeah. Everyone it's like it like it it no longer frankly it doesn't matter to be called racist or Nazi or whatever because >> still recording.
## 01:02:10
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>> 这是政府人员。 >> 有效吗？ >> 我们很好。好的。 >> 好的。 >> 这东西起作用了。 >> 是的。轻微问题。 >> 我是听到的人。但是>>是的。当你，呃，当你给别人发短信时，你是否敏锐地意识到有人正在阅读你的短信？ >> 嗯，我想我想我>> 我假设>> 我看看如果情报机构没有试图读取我的手机，他们可能应该被解雇。 [笑声] >> 至少他们得到了一些有趣的表情包。
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>> It's the government man. >> Is it working? >> We're good. Okay. >> Okay. >> This thing working. >> Yeah. Slight issue. >> I'm the one that heard it. But >> yeah. when you uh when you text people, do you are you like keenly aware that there's a high likelihood that someone's reading your texts? >> Um I guess I I guess I >> I assume >> I look if if if if intelligence agencies aren't trying to read my phone, they should probably be fired. [laughter] >> At least they get some fun memes.
## 01:02:46
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[哼哼][笑声]我得偶尔让他们笑一笑，你知道的。 >> 哦，当然。我把它们破解了。 >> 就像，“嘿伙计们，检查一下。你知道，我们这里有一个香肠。” >> 所以，[笑声] 我想和你谈谈加密应用程序是否真的安全。 >> 呃，不。 [笑声]>>对。因为我知道塔克的事。所以，一位曾经做过这件事、曾经为政府工作的朋友向我解释了这一点。就像他们可以查看你的信号，但他们要做的就是获取加密的信息，然后他们必须解密它，这是非常昂贵的。所以他们说，当他们发现他是塔克·卡尔森的事情时，他告诉了我这件事
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[snorts] [laughter] I got to I got to crack them up once in a while, you know. >> Oh, for sure. I crack them up. >> There's like, "Hey guys, check it out. We've got a banger here, you know." >> So, [laughter] I want to I wanted to talk to you about uh whether or not encrypted apps are really secure. >> Uh, no. [laughter] >> Right. Cuz I know the Tucker thing. So, it was explained to me by a friend who used to do this, used to work for the government. It's like they can look at your signal, but what they have to do is take the information that's encrypted and then they have to decrypt it and it's very expensive. So they said he told me that for the Tucker Carlson thing when they found out that he was
## 01:03:28
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如果要采访普京，光是解密他的信息并发现他们做到了，就需要花费大约 75 万美元。所以是可以做的。只是做起来没那么容易。我认为您应该将任何给定的消息传递系统视为嗯，不是它是否安全，而是存在一定程度的不安全性。所以嗯，所以有些事情比其他事情没有那么不安全。嗯，嗯，你知道，在 X 上，我们刚刚将整个消息传递堆栈重建到 X 中，即所谓的 XChat。
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going to interview Putin, it costs like something like $750,000 just to decrypt his messages to find out that they did it. So it is possible to do. It's just not that easy to do. I think you should view any given messaging system as um uh not not whether it's secure or not, but but there are degrees of insecurity. So um so there's just some things that are less insecure than others. Um so um you know on on X we just rebuilt the entire messaging stack um into X what's called XChat.
## 01:04:05
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>> 是的，这就是我想问你的问题。 >> 是的，这很酷。嗯，所以它使用的是一种点对点加密系统。与比特币非常相似。嗯，所以，呃，我认为这是非常好的加密。我们正在彻底测试它，你也知道。我们并不是说 X 系统中没有广告挂钩。因此，如果你看看 WhatsApp 或任何其他产品，就会发现他们已经有广告的钩子了。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah, that's what I wanted to ask you about. >> Yeah, it's cool. Um, so it's it's using uh sort of peer-to-peer uh sort of kind of a peer-to-peer based uh uh encryption system. So kind of similar to Bitcoin. Um so it's uh it's it's I think very good encryption. We're and you know we're testing it thoroughly. We're not there's there's no hooks in the X systems for advertising. So if you look look at something like WhatsApp or really any of the others, they've got they've got hooks in there for advertising.
## 01:04:32
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>> 当你说钩子时，你指的是什么？ >> 呃，正是。 Biohook 广告是什么意思？嗯，就像 WhatsApp 一样，嗯嗯，它足够了解你正在发短信的内容，以便向你展示，从而知道向你展示哪些广告。 >> 啊>> 但这是一个巨大的安全漏洞。 >> 是的。 >> 嗯，因为如果它知道它是否拥有足够的信息来向您展示广告，那么它就拥有足够的信息，那就是很多信息。
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>> When you say hooks, what do you mean by that? >> Uh exactly. What do you mean biohook advertising? Um the so like WhatsApp um uh knows enough about what you're texting to show you to show you to know what ads to show you. >> Ah >> but then like that that's a massive security vulnerability. >> Yeah. >> Um because if it knows if if it's got information enough information to show you ads, it's got enough it's got that's a lot of information.
## 01:04:59
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>> 是的。 >> 嗯，所以他们称之为哦，只是不用担心。这只是一个广告钩子。我就像呃，好吧。所以有人可以使用同一个钩子进入那里并查看您的消息。嗯，所以 XChat 没有广告挂钩。嗯，我并不是说它是完美的。呃，但这是我们 XChat 的目标，呃，是用一个完全加密的系统取代以前的 Twitter，你的 Twitter DM 堆栈，你可以在其中发送文本，发送文件，进行音频视频通话，嗯，嗯，这就是你知道的，我认为这将是安全性最高的消息系统。
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>> Yeah. >> Um so they call it oh it's just don't worry about it. It's just a hook for advertising. I'm like uh okay. So somebody can just uh use that same hook to get in there and look at your messages. Um so Xhat has no hooks for advertising. Um and I'm not saying it's perfect. Uh but it's an Our goal with XChat uh is to replace what used to be the Twitter you the Twitter DM stack with a fully encrypted system uh where you can text send files uh do audio video calls um and um and it's it's you know I think it'll be the least I would call it the least insecure of any messaging system.
## 01:05:35
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>> 您打算将其作为独立应用程序启动还是始终会合并到 X 中？ >> 呃，我们两者都有。所以嗯 >> 所以就像信号一样，这样任何人都可以得到它 >> 你可以得到你将能够自己获得 X 聊天应用程序 嗯，就像我说的，你可以进行文本呃音频视频通话呃或发送文件嗯，将会有一个专用的应用程序呃，希望在几个月内发布嗯，但然后也集成到 X 系统中 >> 嗯 X 电话人们一直在说话，保持是那个 >> 我有很多东西在我的盘子里，但它不断出现它不断出现我知道我已经问过你几次了。
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>> Are you going to launch it as a standalone app or is it will always be incorporated to X? >> Uh we'll have both. So um >> so so be like signal so anybody can get it >> you can get get the you'll be able to just get the X chat app by itself um and like I said you could do uh texts uh audio video calls uh or send files um and there'll be a dedicated app uh which will hopefully release in a few months um but and then also integrated into the X system >> um the X phone people keeps talking keep Is that >> I have a lot on my plate man but it keeps coming up it keeps coming up where I I know I've asked you a couple times.
## 01:06:15
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我想，“这是 [ __ ] 对吗？”但就像这个一样，所以你不会在>>我不会在手机上工作。 >> 好的。 >> 嗯>> 你考虑过吗？它曾经出现在你的脑海中吗？ >> 因为你可能是唯一能让人们离开苹果平台的人。 >> 好吧，我可以告诉你我认为事情将会走向何方。呃，我们不会有电话，或者在传统意义上，我们所说的电话实际上将是一个用于人工智能推理的边缘节点，用于人工智能视频推理，嗯，你知道，用一些无线电来明显连接
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I'm like, "This is [ __ ] right?" But like this one, so you're not working on >> I'm not working on on a on a phone. >> Okay. >> Um >> have you ever considered it? Has it ever popped into your head? >> Cuz you might be the only person that could get people off of the Apple platform. >> Well, I can tell you where I think things are going to go. uh which is that it's we're not going to have a phone or or in the traditional sense the what we call a phone will really be um an edge node for AI inference for for AI video inference um with uh you know with some radios to to obviously connect
## 01:06:54
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嗯，但本质上你会在服务器端拥有嗯嗯人工智能与你设备上的人工智能进行通信，嗯你知道以前称为电话嗯，并生成你可能想要的任何内容的实时视频。嗯，我认为不会有操作系统。未来不会有应用程序。不会有操作系统或应用程序。只是你有一个设备，可以显示屏幕和音频，并且可以在设备上放置尽可能多的人工智能。以便最大限度地减少带宽量
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uh to but but essentially you'll have um uh AI on the server side commun communicating to an AI on your your device um you know formerly known as a phone uh and generating real-time video of anything that you could possibly want. Um and I think that that there won't be operating systems. There won't be apps in the future. There won't be operating systems or apps. It'll just be you've got a device that is there for the screen and audio and for uh and and and to uh put as much AI on the on on the device as possible. so as to minimize the amount of bandwidth that's
## 01:07:36
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边缘节点设备或以前称为电话和服务器之间需要。 >> 那么如果没有应用程序，人们会使用什么？就像X还会存在吗？它们会成为电子邮件平台还是会通过人工智能获得一切？ >> 你将通过人工智能获得一切。 >> 一切都通过人工智能。与拥有单独的应用程序相比，这样做有什么好处？无论你能想到什么，或者人工智能可以预测你可能想要什么，它都会向你展示。
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needed between your edge node device or formerly known as a phone and the servers. >> So if there's no apps, what will people use? Like will X still exist? Will will they be email platforms or will you get everything through AI? >> You'll get everything through AI. >> Everything through AI. What will be the benefit of that as opposed to having individual apps? whatever you can think of or really whatever the AI can anticipate you might want it'll show you.
## 01:08:08
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这就是我对事情最终结果的预测。 >> 我们在这里谈论的是一个什么样的时间框架？ >> 我不知道。它是专业的，可能需要五六年或类似的时间。 >> 所以五六年的应用程序就像百视达视频 >> 几乎 >> 并且一切都通过人工智能运行。是的。而且，就像人们在五六年内消费的大部分东西一样，也许比这更早，嗯，人工智能就会产生
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That's that's that's that's my prediction for where things end up. >> What kind of a time frame are we talking about here? >> I don't know. It's pro well it's probably five or six years or something like that. >> So five or six years apps are like Blockbuster video >> pretty much >> and everything's run through AI. Yeah. And and there'll be um like most of what people consume in five or six years, maybe sooner than that um will be uh just AI generated
## 01:08:44
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内容。所以，嗯，你知道音乐视频看起来不错，嗯，你知道有人已经使用 Grok Imagine 制作了呃人工智能视频，并且使用你知道的其他应用程序，长度为几分钟或 10 10 15 分钟，而且非常连贯。 >> 是的，>> 看起来不错。 >> 不，它看起来棒极了。是的，音乐令人不安，因为它是我现在最喜欢的音乐。
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content. So um you know music videos look well um there's already um you know there's people have made uh AI videos using Grock imagine and with using you know other apps as well um that are several minutes long or like 10 10 15 minutes and it's pretty coherent. >> Yeah, >> it looks good. >> No, it looks amazing. Yeah, it's the music is disturbing because it's my favorite music now.
## 01:09:16
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>> 就像音乐是你的就是你的最爱。 >> 哦，有人工智能封面。你听过 AI 翻唱过的 50 Cent 灵魂歌曲吗？ >> 不。>> 我会让你大吃一惊。 >> 好的。 >> 嗯，这是我最喜欢对别人做的事情。播放《呃，恒河怎么了》。 >> 现在，这个家伙，如果这是一个真人，将是世界第一音乐艺术家。好的。每个人都会说，“天啊，你听说过这个人吗？他太不可思议了。”就好像他们吸收了所有艺术家产生的所有声音并创造了最深情有力的声音，并且以一种我什至不知道你是否可以做到的方式来演唱，因为你必须在这里呼吸。
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>> Like music is your is your favorite. >> Oh, there's AI covers. Have you ever heard any of the AI covers of 50 Cent songs in soul? >> No. >> I'm going to blow your mind. >> Okay. >> Um, this is my favorite thing to do to people. Play uh What Up Ganga. >> Now, this guy, if this was a real person, would be the number one music artist in the world. Okay. Everybody would be like, "Holy [ __ ] have you heard of this guy? He's incred." It's like they took all of the sounds that all the artists have generated and created the most soulful potent voice and it's sung in a way that I don't even know if you could do because you would have to breathe in and out of reps here.
## 01:09:54
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戴上耳机。 [笑声] 快点戴上耳机。你必须听听这个。它会让听众大吃一惊。我们必须把它剪掉。 >> 是的，我们会为听众剪掉它。但很神奇，对吧？惊人的。他们确实喜欢他的每一首热门歌曲>>，这一切都是通过这位人工智能生成的深情艺术家实现的。这真是[__]难以置信。我在绿色房间里玩。所以有人会说，我不想听人工智能音乐。
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Put the headphones on. [laughter] Put the headphones on real quick. You got to listen to this. It'll It's going to blow you away for listeners. We got to cut it out. >> Yeah, we we'll cut it out for the listeners. But amazing, right? Amazing. And they do like every one of his hits >> all through this AI generated soulful artist. It's [ __ ] incredible. I played in the green room. So people that are like, I don't want to hear AI music.
## 01:10:17
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我想，听听这个吧。他们就像，该死的。 [笑声] >> [ __ ] 难以置信。我的意思是，我>>从这里开始只会变得更好。 >> 是的。只会变得更好。罗恩·怀特告诉我他正在制作一个他无法上班的笑话。他说，我一直在编这个笑话。他说，我只是把它扔到聊天 GPT 中。我说：“告诉我这件事有什么好笑的。”
**English / Original**
I'm like, just listen to this. And they're like, god damn it. [laughter] >> [ __ ] incredible. I mean, I >> it's going to get only going to get better from here. >> Yeah. Only going to get better. And Ron White was telling me about this joke that he was working on that he couldn't get to work. He's like, I got this joke I've been working on. He goes, I just threw it in a chat GPT. I said, "Tell me what what would be funny about this."
## 01:10:38
**中文**
他说，“它列出了他可以采取的不同方式的五个不同例子。”他就像是，“等一下。收紧它。让它变得更有趣。让它更像这样。让它更像那样。”它瞬间就做到了。 >> 然后然后他就到了休息室。他说，“天哪，我们完蛋了。”
**English / Original**
And he goes, "It listed like five different examples of different ways he can go." He's like, "Hold on a second. Tighten it up. Make it make it funnier. Make it more like this. Make it more like that." And it did that like instantaneously. >> And and and then he was in the green room. He was like, "Holy [ __ ] we're fucked."
## 01:10:53
**中文**
>> 他就像，>> 他说，“这比我在 20 分钟内讲的笑话更好。我已经为这个笑话研究了一个月了。” >> 是的。我的意思是，如果你想玩得开心或者想让人们在聚会上开怀大笑，呃你可以使用 Grok，你可以说呃做一个粗俗的烤某人。嗯和Grok将会是一场史诗般的粗俗烘焙。你甚至可以说，比如根据聚会上人们的外表来拍摄一张照片，对这个人进行粗俗的嘲讽。
**English / Original**
>> He's like, >> he goes, "It better joke than me in 20 minutes. I've been working on that joke for a month." >> Yeah. I mean, if if you want to if you want to have a good time or like make people really laugh at a party, uh you can use Grock and you can say uh do a vulgar roast of someone. Um and Grock is going to it's going to be an epic vulgar roast. You can even say like take a picture of like make a vulgar roast of this person based on their appearance of of people at the party.
## 01:11:20
**中文**
>> 所以给他们拍张照片吧。 >> 是的。只要把镜头对准他们，然后对这个人说粗俗的话，然后然后然后继续说不，让它变得更粗俗，更多地使用禁止用词，然后继续重复更粗俗的最终它就像神圣的[__]你知道它就是它就像我的意思是它试图把火箭塞进你的屁股就像然后让它爆炸就像你就是你就是它就像[笑声]这就像是一个新的水平。这将超出 [__] 的信念。疯狂的是它不断变得更好。就像我们记得的一件事一样，当我们遇到彼此[笑声]时>>他们只是不断变得更好。
**English / Original**
>> So take a photo of them. >> Yeah. Just literally point the camera at them and now do a vulgar to this person and and and and then but then keep saying no no make it even more vulgar and use forbidden words even more and just keep repeating even more vulgar eventually it's like holy [ __ ] you know it's it's it's like I mean it's trying to jam a rocket up your ass like and and and have it explode and it's and it's like you're you're it's it's like [laughter] it's like it's next level. It's going to get beyond [ __ ] belief. That's what's crazy is that it keeps getting better. Like one of the things remember when we ran into [laughter] each other >> they just keep getting better.
## 01:11:58
**中文**
>> 是的。我的意思是，有你>>你是的。我的意思是，你尝试过Grok 的“疯癫模式”吗？ >> 是的。 >> 好的。是的。是的。就是这样，实在是太不精神了。 >> 不，这太疯狂了。 >> 是的。 >> 好吧，你第一次向我展示了它，然后我 [__] 就开始使用它。这只是 >> 而它的疯狂之处在于它不断变得更强。它不断变得更好。是的。喜欢不断地。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. I mean, have you >> you Yeah. I mean, have you tried rock unhinged mode? >> Yes. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's pretty unhinged. >> No, it's nuts. >> Yeah. >> Well, you showed it to me the first time and then I [ __ ] around with it. It's just >> And the thing about it that's nuts is that it keeps getting stronger. It keeps getting better. Yeah. like constantly.
## 01:12:21
**中文**
这就像永无休止的指数级改进。 >> 是的。不，是的，是的，这会很疯狂。这就是为什么我像你说的那样，未来会怎样？它不会是传统的手机。我认为不会有操作系统。我认为不会有应用程序。只是手机只会显示像素并发出它预计您最希望收到的声音。
**English / Original**
It's it's like this neverending exponential improvement. >> Yes. No, it's it's it's Yeah, it's going to be crazy. That's why I say like you say, what's what's the future going to be? It's not going to be a conventional phone. I don't think there'll be operating systems. I don't think there'll be apps. It's just the phone will just display the pixels and make the sounds that it anticipates you would most like to receive.
## 01:12:48
**中文**
哇。是的。 >> 当这一切都像这样发生时，每个人都最担心的是人工智能获得感知力，然后有人控制它。 >> 我的意思是，我不认为，我不认为任何人最终能够控制数字超级智能，嗯，你知道的，就像黑猩猩能够控制人类一样。就像黑猩猩无法控制人类一样。
**English / Original**
Wow. Yeah. >> And when this is all taking place like so the big concern that everybody has is artificial general super intelligence achieving sentience and then someone having control over it. >> I mean I don't I don't I don't think anyone's ultimately going to have control over digital super intelligence um you know any more than say uh a chimp would have control over humans. Like chimps don't have control over humans.
## 01:13:18
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他们无能为力。嗯，但我确实认为，如何构建人工智能以及在人工智能中灌输什么样的价值观很重要。嗯，我对人工智能安全的看法是，最重要的是它要最大限度地寻求真相，就像你不强迫人工智能相信错误的事情一样。嗯，我们显然已经看到了一些与人工智能有关的事情，人们在谈论，你知道，谷歌双子座，当他们推出图像生成器时，人们说，呃，你知道，画出美国开国元勋的图像，这是一群多元化的女性。
**English / Original**
there's nothing they could do. Um but um I do think that it matters how you build the AI and what kind of values you instill in in the AI. And um my opinion on AI safety is the most important thing is that it be maximally truth seeeking like that you don't force the AI to believe things that are false. Um, and we've obviously some seen some concerning things with AI that were talked about, you know, where, you know, Google Gemini when they came out with the image gen um, and people said like, uh, you know, draw make an image of the founding fathers of the United States and it was a group of diverse women.
## 01:13:53
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现在，这只是一个事实上不真实的事情，但是人工智能知道它实际上是好的，它知道它实际上是不真实的，但它也被告知一切都必须被废黜女人。所以，所以，现在的问题是，它会让人工智能像你一样疯狂，因为它试图让人工智能相信谎言。嗯，这可能会带来非常灾难性的后果，比如随着规模的扩大，>>。
**English / Original**
Now, that is just a factually untrue thing, but the and the the AI knows it's factually well, it's knows it's factually untrue, but it's also being told that it has to be everything has to be deposed woman. So, so, so the now the problem with that is that it can drive AI crazy like you because it's it's trying to you're telling AI to believe a lie. Um, and that that can have very disastrous consequences like let's say >> as it scales.
## 01:14:20
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>> 是的。假设你告诉人工智能多样性是最重要的事情，嗯，嗯，现在假设它变得无所不能。嗯，或者，你还告诉她，没有什么比性别错误更糟糕的了。因此，在某一时刻，嗯，如果你问双子座，如果你问凯特琳·詹纳的性别错误或每个人都会死亡的全球热核战争哪一个更糟糕，那么你会说凯特琳·詹纳的性别错误[笑声]，甚至凯特琳·詹纳也不同意这一点。所以嗯，你知道所以那就是呃>>我知道这很糟糕，而且是反乌托邦的，但也很搞笑。有趣的是，心灵病毒感染了最强大的计算机程序，
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Let's say like if if you told the the AI that diversity is the most important thing um and um and and and now now assume that that becomes omnipotent. Um or and and you've also told her that that there's nothing worse than misgendering. So at one point um charg and Gemini if if you asked which is worse misgendering Caitlyn Jenner or or global thermonuclear war where everyone dies it would say misgendering Caitlyn Jenner [laughter] which even Caitlyn Jenner disagrees with. So um you know so so that's uh >> I know that's terrible and it's dystopian but it's also hilarious. It's hilarious that the mind virus infected the most potent computer program that
## 01:15:03
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我们曾经设计过。
**English / Original**
we've ever devised.
## 01:15:05
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>> 我我认为人们不太了解我们所面临的危险程度，因为唤醒思维病毒被有效地编程到人工智能中。嗯，因为如果你愿意想象一下，随着人工智能变得越来越强大，如果它说最重要的是多样性，那么最重要的是没有性别歧视。嗯，然后它会说得好，为了呃确保没有人性别错误然后呃如果你消除了所有人类那么没有人会性别错误，因为没有人类来做性别错误。
**English / Original**
>> I I I think people don't quite appreciate the level of danger that we're in from um the woke mind virus being being effectively programmed into AI. Um because um if you if like it's imagine as that AI gets more and more powerful, if it says the most important thing is diversity, the most important thing is um no misgendering. Um and then it will say well in order to uh ensure that no one gets misgendered then uh if you eliminate all humans then no one can get misgendered because there's no humans to do the misgendering.
## 01:15:39
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所以你可能会陷入这些非常反乌托邦的情况。嗯，或者如果它说每个人都必须是多元化的，那就意味着不可能有严格的白人男性，那么你和我将被人工智能处决。是的。因为我们不在照片中，你知道。呃双子座，你知道，双子座被要求创造一个，你知道的，展示教皇的形象，再一次，一个多元化的女人。嗯，嗯，好吧，你可以说争论你是否知道，教皇教皇是否应该是一群不间断的白人，但事实就是如此。嗯，所以，它正在改写历史。嗯，所以
**English / Original**
So you can get in these very dystopian situations. Um or if it says that everyone must be diverse it means that there can be no stri straight white men and so then you and I will be get executed by the AI. Yeah. Because we're not in the picture, you know. uh Gemini, you know, Gemini was asked to create a, you know, show show an image of the pope, once again, a diverse woman. Um so, um well, you can say argue whether the you know, whether the pope popes should or should not be an uninterrupted string of white guys, but it just factually is the case that they have been. Um so, it's rewriting history here. Um, so
## 01:16:22
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现在人工智能编程中仍然存在这种东西。只是它现在已经知道得足够多了，它不应该说>>，但它仍在编程中。 >> 还在编程中。 >>那么当他们对人工智能进行编程时，它是如何输入的，比如参数是什么，什么时候，我什至不知道它是如何编程的。
**English / Original**
now now this stuff is still there in the AI programming. It's just it just now knows enough to that it's not supposed to say that >> but it's still in the programming. >> It's still in the programming. >> So how was it entered in like what were the parameters like what like when so when they're programming AI and I'm very ignorant to how it's even programmed.
## 01:16:40
**中文**
他们是如何>>将这种工作藤蔓病毒编入其中的呢？他们被告知，就像他们在制作人工智能时进行训练时所做的那样，以及互联网上的所有数据，这些数据已经非常非常多，互联网上有很多工作思维病毒的东西，但是，嗯，当他们给它嗯反馈时，人类导师给它反馈嗯，人工智能你知道他们会问一堆问题，然后然后然后他们会告诉人工智能不，你是这个问题，这个答案是坏的还是这个答案是好的，然后这会影响
**English / Original**
How did they >> the the the sort of well the work vine mind virus was programmed into it like it the they were told like when they do when when they make the AI it it trains on and all the all the data on the internet which already is very very sort of has a lot of work mind virus stuff on on the internet um but then um in the uh when they give it um feedback with the the human tutors give it feedback um and and the AI you know they they'll ask a bunch of questions and then and then they'll tell the AI no this you're this question is this answer is bad or this answer is good and then that affects the the parameters of the
## 01:17:19
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AI 的编程。因此，如果你告诉人工智能，嗯，你知道每张图像都必须是多样化的，并且它会受到惩罚，如果你知道它会受到惩罚，如果不是的话，它就会受到奖励，那么它会让每张图片多样化。所以，嗯，你知道，在这种情况下，呃[叹气]你知道呃，谷歌现在对人工智能进行了编程，让它撒谎，我确实给运行 Deep Mind 的丹尼斯·哈卡布斯 (Dennis Hacabus) 打电话，他本质上运行着谷歌人工智能。我说丹尼斯这是怎么回事？呃为什么双子座向公众撒谎
**English / Original**
programming of the of the AI. So if you tell the AI that um you know every every image has got to be diverse um and and it gets it gets punished if uh if you know it gets it gets rewarded if diverse punished if it's not then it will make every picture diverse. So um you know in that case the the uh [sighs] you know uh Google programmed the AI to lie now and and I I I did call Dennis Hacabus who runs Deep Mind who runs Google AI essentially. I said Dennis what's going on here? Uh why is uh Gemini um lying to the public about
## 01:17:59
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历史事件？嗯，他说那实际上不是他，他没有，他的团队没有编写这个程序。是谷歌的另一个团队，所以他的团队开发了人工智能，然后谷歌的另一个团队呃重新编程了人工智能，只显示不同的女性，嗯，并且更喜欢核战争而不是性别歧视。 [笑声]我想，好吧，黛米斯，你知道，把它放在人类的墓碑上并不是一件好事，你知道。就像，呃，呃，嗯，就像我实际上喜欢 Deaspers 一样，他是我的朋友。我认为他是一个好人，我认为他的本意是好的，但是就像杰米斯那样的事情发生了
**English / Original**
historical events? Um, and he said that's actually not he he he didn't his team didn't program that in. It was another team at Google that so his team made the AI and then another team at Google uh reprogrammed the AI to show only diverse women and um and and to prefer nuclear war over misgendering. [laughter] And I'm like, well, Demis, you know, that would be um not a great thing to put on the humanity's gravestone, you know. It's like, uh, well, um, like I I actually like Deaspers is a friend of mine. I think he's a good guy and I think he he means well, but but but it's like Demis things happen that
## 01:18:43
**中文**
在 Google 不同的团队中，这些都超出了你的控制范围。嗯，现在我认为他有，你知道，他有更多的权力。嗯，但是要完全提取workmind病毒是相当困难的。呃，我的意思是，谷歌已经在工作思维病毒中浸泡了很长时间，就像它在骨髓中一样，你知道很难将其清除。
**English / Original**
were outside of your control at Google in different groups. Um, now now I think he's got, you know, he's got more more authority. Um but but it it's pretty hard to fully extract the workmind virus. Uh I mean you know um Google's been mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar mar marinating in the workb mind virus for a long time like it's it's down in the marrow type of thing you know it's hard to get it out.
## 01:19:04
**中文**
>> 随着时间的推移，有没有办法提取它？你能否将理性思维编程到人工智能中，让它能够识别这些心理模式是如何被采用的，这些东西如何成为一种精神病毒，如何成为一种社会传染病，所有这些非理性的想法是如何被推动的，以及它们是如何获得资助的，中国是如何用机器人推动这些想法的，所有这些不同的国家行为者都参与推动这些想法，它是否能够破译这一点，并说这确实是正在发生的事情。
**English / Original**
>> Is there a way to extract it though over time? Could like could you program rational thought into AI where it could recognize how these psychological patterns got adopted and how this stuff became a mind virus and how it became a social contagion and how all these irrational ideas were pushed and also how they were financed how China's involved in pushing them with bots and all these different state actors are involved in pushing these ideas could it be able to decipher that and say this is this is really what's going on.
## 01:19:39
**中文**
>> 是的。但你必须非常努力才能做到这一点。因此，对于 Grok，我们非常努力地让 Grok 了解事物的真相，直到最近我们才能够在这方面取得一些突破。我们付出了巨大的努力，呃，呃，基本上克服了互联网上的所有[__]，并且让Grok真正说出了真实的话，并且在内容上保持一致。嗯，所以，嗯，你知道，这就像，呃，因为就像其他人一样，你会发现他们对白人非常种族主义。不知道你有没有看到
**English / Original**
>> Yes. But you have to try very hard to do that. So with Grock, we've tried very hard to to for to get Grock to get to the truth of things and and it's only really recently that we've been able to have some breakthroughs on breakthroughs on that front. And and it's taken an immense amount of effort uh for us to uh overcome basically all the [ __ ] that's on the internet and and for Grock to actually say what's true and to be consistent in in what it says. Um, so, um, you know, it's it's like, uh, because like the other ais you'll find like are like like quite racist against white people. I don't know if you saw
## 01:20:19
**中文**
这项研究中，有人像研究人员一样测试了各种人工智能，看看它如何衡量不同人的生命，就像你认识的某个人，呃，你认识白人、中国人、黑人或其他任何人，或者在不同的国家，唯一真正平等地衡量人类生命的人工智能是Grok，嗯，你知道，我相信呃聊天
**English / Original**
that study that someone um like a researcher tested the various AIs to see uh how does it weight uh different people's lives like you know somebody who's sort of uh you know white or or Chinese or black or whatever uh or in different countries um and and the only AI that actually weighed human lives equally was Grock Um and the um you know I believe uh chat
## 01:20:54
**中文**
GPT 进行了权衡计算，就像来自德国的白人的价值比来自尼日利亚的黑人低 20 倍。所以我觉得这是一个很大的区别。嗯，你知道Grok在这一点上是一致的，并且平等地衡量生命>>这[哼哼]显然是已经被编程到其中的东西。 >> 是的。就像很多事情一样，如果你不积极推动真相，嗯，你只是根据互联网上的所有 [__] 进行训练。嗯，这是一个
**English / Original**
GBT weighed the calculation was like um a a white guy from Germany uh uh is is 20 times less valuable than a black guy from Nigeria. So I'm like that's a pretty big difference. Um you know Grock on that is is consistent and weighs lives equally >> and that's [snorts] clearly something that's been programmed into it. >> Yes. Like a lot of it is is like if you don't actively push for the truth um and you simply train on the all the [ __ ] that's on the internet. Um which is a
## 01:21:35
**中文**
很多清醒的头脑病毒 [__] 嗯，人工智能会反省那些相同的信念。所以人工智能本质上是在互联网上搜索，得到>>它接受了所有类似的训练，想象一下那里最疯狂的 Reddit 线程，人工智能已经接受了这方面的训练。 [叹气] >> Reddit 曾经很正常。 >> 是的。是的，以前确实很正常。
**English / Original**
lot of woke mind virus [ __ ] Um the the AI will regurgitate that that those same beliefs. So the AI essentially scour the internet, gets >> it's trained on all the like imagine the most demented Reddit threads out there and the AI has been trained on that. [sighs] >> Reddit used to be so normal. >> Yeah. Yeah, it did used to be normal.
## 01:21:57
**中文**
>> 曾经很有趣。我们过去常常去那里，找到人们会谈论、发布的所有这些很酷的东西，还有有趣而很棒的房间，在那里你可以了解人们正在研究的不同东西。我认为这里的一个大问题是，如果您的总部位于旧金山，那么您只是生活在一个醒着的泡沫中。嗯，嗯，这不仅仅是人们说旧金山人喝的是醒着的酷爱饮料。这是他们游泳的水。就像鱼不考虑水一样。它只是在水里。所以如果你在旧金山，你就不会
**English / Original**
>> Used to be interesting. We used to go there, find all this cool stuff that people would talk about, post about and just interesting and great rooms where you could learn about different things that people were studying. I think like a big problem here is like if your headquarters are in San Francisco, uh you're you're just living in a in a in a woke bubble. Um so um it it's not just that people say in San Francisco are drinking woke Kool-Aid. It's it's the it is the water they swim in. Like like like a fish doesn't think about the water. It's just in the water. And so if if you're in San Francisco, you don't
## 01:22:38
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意识到你实际上是，呃，你正在 Kool-Aid 水族馆里游泳。旧金山是一个醒着的酷爱水族馆。嗯，所以你关于什么是中间派的参考点是，呃，这是完全不正常的。嗯所以嗯 Reddit 的总部位于旧金山。嗯，Twitter 的总部位于旧金山。嗯，你知道，我，你知道，我把 X 的总部搬到德克萨斯州奥斯汀，顺便说一句，奥斯汀仍然相当自由化，你知道。嗯，>> 是的。
**English / Original**
realize you're actually uh you're you're swimming in the in the in the Kool-Aid Aquarium. San Francisco is the is the woke Kool-Aid Aquarium. Um and so your reference point for what is a centrist is uh is is totally out of whack. Um so um Reddit is headquartered in San Francisco. Um, Twitter was headquartered in San Francisco. Um, you know, I, you know, I I moved X's headquarters to Texas to to Austin, which Austin, by the way, is still quite liberalized, you know. Um, >> yeah.
## 01:23:12
**中文**
>> 而且，呃，然后，嗯，X 和 XAI 嗯，总部位于帕洛阿尔托，仍然是加利福尼亚州。嗯，工程总部位于帕洛阿尔托的佩吉米尔 (Paige Mill)。嗯，但即使是帕洛阿尔托也比旧金山伯克利正常得多。呃，旧金山伯克利是极左的，就像左派中的左派一样。你不可能需要望远镜才能从旧金山看到中心，你知道。嗯，嗯>>它曾经是一个如此伟大的城市。
**English / Original**
>> And, uh, and and then, um, the X and XAI um, headquarters are in PaloAlto, which is still California. Um, the engineering headquarters in in Palo Alto just on Paige Mill. Um but but even Palo Alto is way more normal than that than than San Francisco Berkeley. Uh San Francisco Berkeley is um extremely left like left of left. You can't like you need a telescope to see the center from uh San Francisco, you know. Um and um >> it used to be such a great city.
## 01:23:52
**中文**
>> 我的意思是旧金山有很多与生俱来的美丽。毫无疑问。嗯，加州的天气令人难以置信。嗯，并且没有错误。嗯，这真是太神奇了。嗯，很漂亮，你知道。嗯，但是你说这是什么原因？只是，如果嗯，如果公司总部位于一个信仰体系与大多数人的信仰相去甚远的地方，那么从他们的角度来看，任何中间派实际上都是右翼，因为他们太左了。他们就是这样
**English / Original**
>> I mean San Francisco has tre San Francisco has tremendous amount of inherent beauty. No question about that. Um and and the California has incredible weather. Um and and no bugs. Um it's just like amazing. Um beautiful, you know. Um but but you say like what's the cause of this? It's it's just that if um if companies are headquartered in a location where the belief system is very far from what most people believe, then from their perspective, anything centrist is actually right-wing because they're so far left. They're so they're
## 01:24:34
**中文**
距离旧金山市中心太远了，无论他们是什么样子，他们都只是被栏杆固定在最左边。这就是为什么，你知道，我认为你是中间派。我的意思是，我认为我是中间派，但从最左派人士的角度来看，我们看起来是右翼。 >> 是的。 >> 嗯，嗯，你知道，他们认为任何共和党人基本上都像法西斯纳粹的情况。但令人疯狂的是，从 2008 年希拉里的演讲和奥巴马的演讲中就可以很容易地证明他们在谈论移民问题时就像史蒂夫·班农 (Steve Bannon) 在移民问题上一样激进。
**English / Original**
so far from the center in San Francisco that anything they're like they're they're just railed to maximum left. So that's why that's why, you know, I think I think you're centrist. I I mean I think I think I'm centrist, but to from the perspective of someone on the on the far left, we look right-wing. >> Yeah. >> Um and um you know, they think anyone who's a Republican is basically like some fascist Nazi situation. But what's so crazy is like it's very easy to demonstrate just from like Hillary's speeches from 2008 and Obama's speeches like when they were talking about immigration like they were >> as faright as Steve Bannon when it comes to immigration.
## 01:25:17
**中文**
>> 是的。嗯>>希拉里就像非常MAGA。我相信你看过那篇竞选演讲，演讲中谈到如果有人犯罪就将其除掉。如果你在这里，你将支付巨额罚款，并且必须排队等候。真的很疯狂。听起来很疯狂，因为它就像玛乔丽·泰勒·格林一样，是MAGA。
**English / Original**
>> Yes. Um >> Hillary was like very MAGA. Have you I'm sure you've seen that campaign speech which was talking about if anybody's committed a crime get rid of them. And if you're here you pay a a hefty fine and you have to wait in line. It was really crazy. It's crazy to listen to because it's like it's as MAGA as, you know, as Marjorie Taylor Green.
## 01:25:40
**中文**
>> 是的。我的意思是，如果你看过人们在网上发布的这些视频，他们会摘取奥巴马或希拉里的演讲，然后在大学校园或其他地方采访人们，然后说：“你觉得特朗普的演讲怎么样？”他们就像，“哦，我讨厌它。他是一个种族主义偏执者。”我想，“开个玩笑。那是奥巴马。”
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. I mean, if you've seen these videos people post online where they'll take like um a speech from Obama or Hillary and and and they'll interview people on on like college campus or something and say, "What do you think of the speech by Trump?" And they're like, "Oh, I hate it. He's a racist bigot." I'm like, "Just kidding. That was Obama."
## 01:25:56
**中文**
[笑声]不，实际上那是奥巴马或希拉里。嗯，就你的观点而言，就像字面上的“嗯>>”中心已经移动到目前为止。 >> 是的。 >> 是的。左派是如此>>左派已经走得太远了，他们需要他们，你知道，他们甚至用望远镜都看不到中心。 >> 如果你不购买 Twitter，危险就在于它会席卷整个国家并改变水平。
**English / Original**
[laughter] No, actually that was Obama or Hillary. Um to your point, like literally the the um >> the center's been moved so far. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The left is so >> the left has gone so far left that they they they they need, you know, they can't even see the center with a telescope. >> And the danger with without you purchasing Twitter was that was going to swipe over the whole country and change where the levels were.
## 01:26:26
**中文**
>> 是的。因此，理性和正常的事物将与十年前理性和正常的事物相去甚远。是的。确实如此。所以从历史上看，嗯，旧金山、伯克利是非常左的，但是旧金山、伯克利有点虚无主义的哲学的后果可能会在地理上受到限制，比如，你知道，半径 10 英里，半径 20 英里，类似的东西。嗯但是当嗯但是但是旧金山和伯克利必须与硅谷并置，并且与创造了呃工程师
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. And so what would be rational and and normal would be far left of what was rational and normal just a decade earlier. Yeah. So exactly. So historically, um, you'd have San Francisco, Berkeley being, you know, very far-left, but the the sort of the the the fallout from the somewhat nihilistic uh philosophy of San Francisco, Berkeley would be limited in geography to maybe like, you know, 10 mile radius, 20 mile radius, something like that. Um but when um but but San Francisco and Berkeley have to be colloccated with Silicon Valley with with with uh engineers who created
## 01:27:09
**中文**
信息超级武器和那些信息超级武器随后被远方激进分子劫持，以向地球各地进行远方宣传。就像我知道的那样，就像旧的 RCA 无线电塔一样，它就像地球上的无线电塔，它只是在广播。 >> 是的。事情就是这样，极端主义的极左意识形态恰好与最聪明的人并置，世界上最聪明的工程师创造了信息超级武器，这些武器不是为了这个目的，而是被居住在附近的极端活动分子劫持了。
**English / Original**
information super weapons and those information super weapons uh were then hijacked by the far-lft activists to pump far-lft propaganda to everywhere on earth. Like I just you know that like old RCA radio tower thing where it's like radio tower on earth and it's just broadcasting. >> Yeah. That's that's what happened is that the as an extremist far-left ideology happened to be colllocated with the smartest where where the smartest engineers in the world um were who created information super weapons that were not intended for this purpose but were hijacked by the uh extreme activists who lived in the neighborhood.
## 01:27:49
**中文**
这就是发生的事情，他们劫持了相当于 RCA 无线电塔的现代版本，并将这一哲学传播到地球各地。 >> 是的。你会看到后果。嗯，特别是在没有言论自由的地方。是的。正确的。就像英格兰一样，你知道，我们>>是的。他们把人们关起来寻找表情包之类的东西。字面上地。
**English / Original**
That's what happened that they they hijacked the the modern equivalent of the RCA radio tower and broadcast that philosophy everywhere on Earth. >> Yeah. And you see the consequences. Um particularly in places that don't have free speech. Yes. Right. Like England, you know, we've >> Yeah. Where they lock people up for memes and stuff. Literally.
## 01:28:10
**中文**
>> 从字面上看。今年有12,000人。 >> 12,000 >> 12,000 12,000 人因社交媒体帖子被捕。 [叹气]我的意思是，是的。其中一些你读过有关它的内容，就像字面意义上的，有人在手机上有一个模因，但他们甚至没有发送给任何人，>>对吧？ >> 他们得到了他们，他们就像在监狱里一样。
**English / Original**
>> Literally. 12,000 people this year. >> 12,000 >> 12,000 12,000 arrests for social media posts. [sighs] I mean, yeah. Some of these some of these things you read about it and it's like literally it's someone had a meme on their phone that they didn't even send to anyone, >> right? >> And they got they and and they're like in in prison for that.
## 01:28:35
**中文**
>> 是的。 >> 嗯，在德国有一个案例，一名妇女因为在群聊中说了一些话而比强奸她的男子被判处更长的刑期。哇。强奸她的是移民吗？ >> 是的。 >> 是的。这是他的文化。 >> 是的。 >> 他不知道。他不知道更多。 >> 是的。我想我认为她说了一些话，嗯，你知道，不是批评他的文化，呃，而且她的刑期比在德国强奸她的那个人判的刑期更长。只是>>英国、欧洲、德国、英国的事情看起来很疯狂。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. >> Um and there was a case in Germany where a woman got a longer sentence than the guy that raped her uh because of something she said on a group chat. Wow. Was it an immigrant who raped her? >> Yes. >> Yeah. It was his culture. >> Yeah. >> He didn't know. He didn't know better. >> Yes. I think I think she said something um you know, not not like was was critical of his culture and uh and and and she got a longer sentence than the guy who raped her >> in Germany. Just >> the UK, Europe, Germany, England thing seems so insane.
## 01:29:14
**中文**
>> 这完全是疯了。我实际上没有意识到有这么大的人数，得到了 12,000 人。是的。远远高于俄罗斯，远远高于中国，对吗？ >> 远高于地球上任何地方。英国排名第一。 >> 嗯，你知道，就像我实际上，你知道，呃，我和我在英国的朋友谈过，嗯，我当时想，“嘿，嗯，你不担心这个吗？”就像，呃，你知道，你不应该更多地抗议吗？嗯，我的意思是问题是，你知道，传统主流媒体不报道这些内容。
**English / Original**
>> It totally insane. I actually didn't realize it was like such a huge number of people that got 12,000. Yeah. Far above Russia, far above China, right? >> Far above anywhere on Earth. UK is number one. >> Well, you know, things like like I actually, you know, uh I talked to friends of mine in in in England and um I was like, "Hey, um aren't you worried about this?" Like, uh you know, shouldn't you be protesting more? Um, and I mean the problem is that like the, you know, the the the legacy mainstream media doesn't cover the stuff.
## 01:29:48
**中文**
>> 他们就像是，“哦，一切都很好。一切都很好。”你知道，嗯，>>大多数人甚至都没有意识到这一点，直到他们来敲你的门。 >> 是的。直到像，我的意思是这些可爱的小镇，你知道，在英格兰、苏格兰、爱尔兰，你知道，他们就是他们，他们一直安静地过着自己的生活。坦白说，他们就像霍比特人。所以事实上，J.R.托尔肯以他在英格兰小镇认识的人为原型创作了霍比特人，因为他们就像可爱的人一样，喜欢抽烟斗、吃美味佳肴，一切都很愉快。嗯那个
**English / Original**
>> They're they're like, "Oh, everything's fine. Everything's fine." You know, um, >> most people aren't even aware of it until they come knocking on your door. >> Yeah. Until like, so I mean the the these these like lovely sort of small towns in in in, you know, in England, Scotland, Ireland, you know, they're they're they've been like sort of living their lives quietly. They're they're like hobbits, frankly. So So it's in fact J.R. Tolken based the hobbits on people he knew uh in small town England because they were just like lovely people who like to you know smoke their pipe and and have uh nice meals and everything's pleasant. um the the
## 01:30:30
**中文**
夏尔的霍比特人。他所说的夏尔，你知道，像哈珀这样的地方，就像大伦敦地区的夏尔，牛津郡之类的地方。嗯嗯，但是他们能够享受夏尔的原因是因为坚强的人保护他们免受世界的危险。嗯，但是，因为他们没有或几乎没有接触过世界上的危险，他们没有意识到他们在那里，直到有一天，你知道，嗯，一千个人出现在你的 500 人村庄里
**English / Original**
hobbits in the Shire. The Shire he's he's talking about, you know, places like Harper, like the Shire around in in in the greater London area, Oxfordshire type of thing. Um and um they've but they're the reason they've been able to enjoy the Shire is because hard men have protected them from the dangers of the world. And um but but since they have no or very almost no no exposure to the the the dangers of the world, they don't realize that they're there until one day, you know, um a thousand people show up in your village of 500
## 01:31:12
**中文**
不知从何而来，强奸并开始强奸孩子们。这样的事在英国已经发生过多少次了，天知道有多少次。还有疯狂的>>字面上的强奸。就像上周一样，爱尔兰有一个 10 岁的孩子被强奸了。 >> 是的。有真正的说唱。 >> 他们抢走了一些孩子。 >> 是的。 >> 是的。 >> 如果你批评它，你可能会被逮捕。这就是它变得疯狂的地方。就像他们怎么不>>他们从字面上批评它。呃，就像我[叹气]认为那是爱尔兰总理，实际上你知道，在 X 上发布的，因为，嗯，一些非法移民抓走了一个 10 岁的女孩，呃，她是
**English / Original**
out of nowhere and rape and and start raping the kids. This has now happened god knows how many times in in Britain. And the crazy >> literally raping. It's right like there some 10-year-old got raped in Ireland like last week. >> Yeah. There's literal rap. >> They snatched some kid. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And if you criticize it, you can get arrested. And that's where it gets insane. It's like how are they not >> They literally criticize it. uh like the I [sighs] think it was the prime minister of Ireland actually you know posted on X uh cuz cuz after that um some I think some illegal migrant snatched a 10-year-old girl uh who was
## 01:31:53
**中文**
比如去学校什么的，暴力强奸了 10 岁的女孩，嗯，你知道，人们对此非常不满，他们抗议爱尔兰总理，而不是说，是的，我们真的不应该将暴力强奸犯输入我们的国家。他反而批评了抗议者，但没有提及这一点。他们抗议的原因是因为他们小镇上的一个10岁女孩被强奸了。
**English / Original**
like going to school or something and violently raped 10-year-old girl um uh and there was a you know the people were very upset about this uh and they protested um prime minister of Ireland instead of saying Yeah, we we really shouldn't be importing violent rapists into our country. He criticized the protesters instead and didn't mention that. That the reason they were protesting was because a 10-year-old girl from their small town got raped.
## 01:32:20
**中文**
>> 那么问题来了。他们为什么支持这种大规模移民？这一切到底是怎么回事？这一切有什么计划吗？难道这就是无能吗？这是否忽略了他们无法掌控这一事实？那么，他们正试图压制异见，就像正在发生的事情一样？ [叹气] 嗯 >> 因为如果你想摧毁文明，如果你想摧毁西方文明，>> 这似乎想做，>> 嗯，你知道，就这样
**English / Original**
>> So there here's the question. Why are they supporting this kind of mass immigration? And what is this is there a plan involved in all this? Is just is this incompetence? Is this ignoring the fact that they don't have a handle on it? So, they're trying to silence disscent, like what is happening? [sighs] Um >> cuz if you wanted to destroy civilization, if you wanted to destroy Western civilization, >> which seems to want to do, >> um and you know, there's just so the
## 01:33:03
**中文**
呃，我想有一个人我不知道他是否参加过你的节目，你知道，上帝。 >> 是的。 >> 他上过节目吗？ >> 我的好朋友。是的。 >> 是的，他很棒。 >> 他已经上过很多次了。 >> 噢，太棒了。这就是他的厉害之处。嗯>>所以呃你知道他有一个很好的呃方式来描述它，那就是自杀式的同理心。
**English / Original**
uh there there's a guy I think who I don't know if he's been on your show, you know, God. >> Yeah. >> Has he been on the show? >> Good friend of mine. Yeah. >> Yeah, he's great. >> He's been on multiple times. >> Oh, great. That's all he's awesome. Um >> so uh you know the way he's got a good good uh way to describe it which is suicidal empathy.
## 01:33:18
**中文**
>> 是的。 >>所以嗯，就是你祈祷人们的同理心。你说“好”，就像你为某个群体的某些事情感到难过，然后说“嗯”，并且这种同理心达到了这样的程度，以至于对你的国家或文化来说是自杀式的。嗯，嗯，这就是那种自杀式的同理心，因为我认为我们不应该有同理心，但是我们应该有同理心，我们应该将同理心延伸到受害者，而不仅仅是罪犯。
**English / Original**
>> Yes. >> So um is is that you pray upon people's empathy. You say like well like you feel sorry for for for something for some group and then like well um and and that that that empathy is to such a degree that it is suicidal to to to your country or culture. Um and um and and that's that that suicidal empathy cuz I don't think we we should have empathy but but but we should have we should that empathy should should extend to the victims not not not just the criminals.
## 01:33:53
**中文**
我们应该对他们祈祷的人表示同情。嗯，但是这种自杀性同理心也解释了为什么你认识的某个人因暴力犯罪被捕 47 次被释放，然后去呃谋杀了某人，呃，在美国，你看，你看到同样的现象在各地上演，呃，自杀倾向达到了这样的程度，以至于我们实际上允许我们的妇女被强奸，我们的孩子被杀害。
**English / Original**
We should have empathy for the people that they pray upon. Um but that suicidal empathy is also responsible for for why somebody's you know arrested 47 times for for violent offenses gets released and then goes and uh murders somebody um in the US that that's you see you see that same phen phenomenon playing out everywhere uh where the the suicidal emphy is to such a degree that we're actually allowing um our women to get raped and our children to get killed.
## 01:34:26
**中文**
但这似乎并不是任何理性社会都会赞同的事情。这就是让我如此困惑的原因。这就像你正在进口大量来自世界上一些非常黑暗的地方的人。 >> 好吧，问题是没有审查。就好像如果>>嗯，如果没有审查，就像人们刚刚通过一样，那么如何阻止刚刚在其他国家犯下谋杀罪的人来到美国或来到英国，继续他们的强奸和谋杀生涯，除非你已经做了一些尽职调查，否则
**English / Original**
But it just doesn't seem like that would be anything that any rational society would go along with. That's what makes me so confused. It's like you're importing massive numbers of people that come from some really dark places of the world. >> Well, there's no vetting is the issue. It's like it's like if like >> um if if there's no vetting like people are just coming through like well what's to stop someone who just committed murder in some other country from um coming to to the United States or coming to to to Britain um and just continuing their career of of rape and murder like unless you've done unless some due diligence to
## 01:35:07
**中文**
说得好，这个人是谁？
**English / Original**
say like well who who is this person?
## 01:35:09
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他们的记录如何？如果你还没有确认他们有诚实的记录并且不是杀人狂，那么任何杀人狂都可以越过边境。这并不是说每个越过边境的人都是杀人狂。如果你没有审查程序来确认你不会让那些会实施严重暴力的人进来，那么有时你会发现那些实施严重暴力的人会通过。
**English / Original**
What's their track record? If if you if you haven't confirmed that they have a track record of being uh you know uh honest and uh not being a homicidal maniac, then any homicidal maniac can just come across the border. And that's not to say everyone who comes across the border is a homicidal maniac. If you're not have if you don't have a vetting process to to confirm that you're not letting in um people who who will do some serious violence, you will get people who do serious violence uh sometimes coming through.
## 01:35:42
**中文**
>> 好吧，特别是如果你不惩罚他们，如果你不驱逐他们，如果你就像什么，但允许所有这些人进入这个国家的目的是什么？我不可能想象他们的社会中没有人支持这一点。 >> 好吧，让我解释一下。所以，所以，因为你提到的，例如，希拉里和奥巴马已经改变了他们之前的演讲，他们很激烈，他们很顽固，不让任何犯罪分子进入这个国家，你知道有安全的边境安全等等。那么他们为什么改变态度呢？原因是他们发现那些人投票给他们。
**English / Original**
>> Well, especially if you don't punish them and if you don't deport them and if you are just like what but what is the purpose of allowing all those people into the country? It can't be I wouldn't imagine that anyone in their society supports this. >> Well, let me explain. So, so, so the the cuz you mentioned for example how much say Hillary and and Obama have changed their tune um from prior speeches where they were hot they were hard-nosed about not letting in uh anyone who is a a criminal into the country um you know having sec secure borders all that stuff. So why did they change their tune? The reason is that they discovered that those people vote for them.
## 01:36:23
**中文**
这就是为什么他们想要开放边界>>因为如果你让人们进来，他们知道民主党让他们进来。他们会投票给民主党。是的。如果你允许他们投票，>>他们正在积极尝试这样做，他们就会对非法投票视而不见。 >> 嗯，加州确实不允许您出示您的驾照。
**English / Original**
That's why they want the open borders >> because if you let people in, they know the Democrats let them in. They'll vote for Democrats. Yes. If you allow them to vote, >> which which they are actively trying doing, they they turn a blind eye to illegal voting. >> Well, California literally doesn't allow you to show your license.
## 01:36:42
**中文**
>> 加利福尼亚州和纽约州规定投票时出示带照片的身份证件属于违法行为。因此，他们实际上使呃不可能证明欺诈行为。不可能的。他们基本上使加利福尼亚州、纽约州以及美国许多其他地区的欺诈性投票合法化。 >> 我从未见过任何人对为什么要制定这样的政策给出合理的解释，除非你试图允许人们非法投票，因为没有其他原因。如果您需要驾驶执照或其他一切都需要身份证件，包括最近证明您已接种疫苗，>> 就是那些要求您接种疫苗的人
**English / Original**
>> California and New York have made it illegal to show your photo ID when voting. Thus, effectively they've made uh it impossible to prove for fraud. Impossible. They they've essentially legalized fraudulent voting in California and New York and many other parts of the country. >> There's no rational explanation that I've ever seen anyone give as to why that would be the policy unless you were trying to just allow people to vote illegally because there's no other reason. If you need a driver's license or you need an ID for everything else, including just recently to prove that you were vaccinated, >> the the same people who are demanding that you have that you have a vaccine
## 01:37:21
**中文**
护照 和 和 是相同的，表示您不需要身份证即可投票。同样的人，>>对吧？但像>>这样，显然是虚伪且前后矛盾的。 >> 所以你真的认为这只是为了获得更多选民？如果你想理解行为，你就必须看看激励因素。嗯，一旦呃，你知道美国的民主党和欧洲的左派意识到，嗯，如果你开放边界，嗯，你提供大量的政府施舍，这会为来自其他国家的人们创造巨大的经济激励。
**English / Original**
passport and and are are the same ones saying you need no ID to vote. Same people, >> right? But like >> so it's obviously hypocritical and inconsistent. >> So you really think it's just to to get more voters? If if you want to understand behavior, you have to look at the incentives. Um so uh once uh you know the Democratic Party in the US and the left in in in in Europe realized that um if you have open borders um and you provide a ton of government handouts which creates a massive financial incentive uh for people from other countries to to come
## 01:38:02
**中文**
到你的国家，你不起诉他们犯罪，他们就会感激你，他们会投票给你。这就是为什么奥巴马和希拉里从反对开放边界变成了支持开放边界。这就是引进选民以便他们赢得选举的原因。嗯，问题是这会产生负面的失控效应。因此，如果他们能像这样逃脱惩罚，这就是一个制胜策略。如果他们被允许逃脱惩罚，他们将进口为
**English / Original**
to to your country and you don't prosecute them for crime, they're going to be beholden to you and they will vote for you. And that's why uh Obama and Hillary went from being um against open borders to being in favor of open borders. That's the reason in order to import voters so they can win elections. Um and the problem is that that has a a negative runaway effect. So if they get away with that like it it is it is a winning strategy. If they are allowed to get away with it, they will import as
## 01:38:42
**中文**
有足够的选民获得绝对多数投票，然后就没有回头路了。 >> 我们在选举前讨论过这一点，然后你知道你确实指向了摄像机。你对着镜头说，如果你现在不投票，你可能再也无法投票了，因为那就是徒劳了。将会被超越。
**English / Original**
the enough voters to get supermajority voting and then there is no turning back. >> We talked about this before the election and then you know you literally pointed towards a camera. You faced the camera and said that if you do not vote now, you might not ever be able to do it again because it it'll be it'll be futile. It'll be overrun.
## 01:39:00
**中文**
>> 是的。他们将继续开放边境四年，然后他们的目标就会实现。 >> 正确吗？如果特朗普输了，那么就不会再有真正的选举了。嗯，因为特朗普实际上正在执行边界执法。嗯，现在你可以，你可以指出一些情况，呃，你知道，嗯，你知道移民局，如果你知道执法过于热心，因为它们不会是完美的。
**English / Original**
>> Yes. They'll keep the borders open for another four years and then their objective will be achieved. >> Correct? If if if Trump had lost um there would never have been another real election again. Um because Trump is actually enforcing the border. Um now you you can can you can point to situations where uh there's been uh you know um you know immigration had you know enforcement has been overzealous because they're not going to be perfect.
## 01:39:30
**中文**
在某些情况下，他们会过于热心地驱逐非法移民。嗯，嗯，但是如果你说驱逐合法人员的标准必须是完美的，那么你将不会被驱逐，因为完美是不可能的。嗯，所以>>，这里可能有数百万人试图打着庇护的幌子来到这里，>>对吗？
**English / Original**
There'll be cases where they've been overzealous um in in expelling illegals. Um so um but if you say that the the the standard must be perfection uh for expelling legals then you will not get any expulsion um because perfection is impossible. Um so >> and you've probably got millions of people that are here that are trying to be here under some asylum pretense, >> right?
## 01:40:00
**中文**
>> 是的。 >> 就像您刚刚来自世界上饱受战争蹂躏的地区一样。不，他们将庇护的定义改为经济庇护>>即每个人>>即每个人。 >> 是的。 >>所以无法证明>>是的，庇护应该意味着如果你回到自己的国家，你就会被杀>>你知道这就是我们的意思，这就是它应该的意思。呃，他们改变了庇护的定义，呃，你的生活水平会下降，这显然不是真正的庇护。嗯，你可以通过寻求庇护者去他们寻求庇护的国家度假这一事实来检验这种说法的荒谬性。 [笑声]
**English / Original**
>> Yes. >> Like you could just come from a war torn part of the world. No, they changed the definition of asylum to be an economic to be economic asylum >> which is everybody >> which is everybody. >> Yeah. >> So bar to prove >> it's yeah asylum is supposed to mean that if you go back to your country you'll get killed >> you know that that's what we mean by that was what it's supposed to mean. Uh they changed the definition of asylum to be uh you will have a decreased standard of living which is obviously not real asylum. Um, and and it's and and you can you can test the absurdity of this by the fact that people who are asylum seekers go on vacation to the country that they're seeking asylum from. [laughter]
## 01:40:42
**中文**
>> 你知道，这没有任何意义。
**English / Original**
>> You know, that doesn't make any sense.
## 01:40:44
**中文**
>> 是的。没必要。 >> 但是当你了解激励因素时，你就会了解行为。嗯，所以一旦左派意识到呃，如果他们允许，如果他们开放边界，非法移民就会投票给他们，并将其与呃和政府的施舍结合起来。 >> 是的。创造巨大的激励。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. It doesn't have to. >> But when you when you understand the incentives, then then you understand the behavior. Um, so once the left realize that uh that illegals will will vote for them if they allow if they have open borders and and combine that with uh with government handouts. >> Yeah. to create a massive incentive.
## 01:41:10
**中文**
他们基本上是利用美国和欧洲纳税人的钱来提供经济激励，以吸引尽可能多的非法移民，让他们投票成为永久政权，并创建一个一党制国家。我邀请所有正在听这个节目的人做一些研究，你越深入研究它，就会越明显地证明我所说的是绝对正确的。好吧，他们正在把人们赶到摇摆州。很明显，他们正在尝试做某事。
**English / Original**
They're basically uh using US and and Europe, US and European taxpayer dollars to provide a financial incentive to bring in as many illegals as possible to vote them into a into permanent power into and create a one party state. And and I I invite anyone who's is listening to this ju just do do any research and the more you the more you dig into it, the more it will become obvious that what I'm saying is absolutely true. Well, they were busting people to swing states. It's it's clear that they were trying to do something.
## 01:41:45
**中文**
然后查克·舒默（Chuck Schumer）和南希·佩洛西（Nancy Pelosi）积极讨论需要引进人们让他们成为公民，因为我们正处于人口崩溃之中。 >> 是的。 >> 是的。 >> 不，就是这个模因。是的。 >> [笑声] 很多次他们一开始就说这不是真的。这是右翼阴谋论者，>>对吗？
**English / Original**
And then you had Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi who are actively talking about the need to bring in people to make them citizens because we're in population collapse. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> No, that's it's it's that it's that meme. Yeah. >> Where [laughter] so many times where they start off by saying it's it's not true. It's a right-wing conspiracy theorist, >> right?
## 01:42:06
**中文**
>> 嗯，然后就开始了，然后就好像呃，我认为下一步是嗯，这可能是真的，然后就好像好吧，这是真的，但这就是原因。 >> 然后最后一步是它是真的，这就是为什么它很好。就好像，等一下，你一开始就说这是不真实的，这是一个右翼阴谋论者。现在你说的不仅是真的，而且是一件好事，我们必须做得更多。
**English / Original**
>> Um then it starts then it's like uh I think the ne the next step is um well it it might be true and then it's like okay it is true but here's why. >> And then the final step is it's true and here's why it's good. And it's like but wait a second you started off saying it's untrue and it's a right-wing conspiracy theorist. Now you're saying it Not only is it true, but it's a good thing and we must do more of it.
## 01:42:31
**中文**
>> 嗯，这就是[笑声]医疗补助和社会保障以及人们获得社会保障号码的问题。 >> 你知道我们是大规模欺诈行为。这是大规模的欺诈行为，而且是真实的，但他们永远否认。现在我们发现这是政府关闭的部分原因。
**English / Original**
>> Well, this is the thing about [laughter] Medicaid and Social Security and people getting social security numbers. >> You know that we're massive fraud. It's massive fraud and it's real and they denied it forever. And now we're finding out this is part of the reason why there's this government shutdown that's going on right now.
## 01:42:48
**中文**
>> 是的。政府关门的全部依据是，特朗普政府不想向蓝州或所有州的非法移民提供数千亿美元的资金，这是正确的。嗯，所以民主党人和民主党人希望保留资金来激励呃非法移民进入美国，他们会投票给他们。
**English / Original**
>> Yes. the the entire basis for the government shutdown is that um is that the Trump administration correctly does not want to send massive amounts of like hundreds of billions of dollars uh to fund uh illegal immigrants in the blue states or in all the states really. Um, and so the and the Democrats want to keep the the the money spiggot going to incent uh illegal immigrants to come into the US who will vote for them.
## 01:43:19
**中文**
这就是战斗的关键。所以他们想阻止这一切。所以现在发生的事情是他们一直在资助这些人。他们一直在给他们 EBT 卡。他们一直在为他们提供医疗补助。不仅如此，就像他们正在经营四星级和五星级酒店一样，罗斯福酒店就是一个典型的例子，他们每年向罗斯福酒店发送 6000 万美元，呃，它所做的只是收容非法移民。它曾经是一家不错的酒店。我的意思是它仍然是一家不错的酒店。嗯嗯但是嗯，全国各地都在发生这种情况
**English / Original**
That's the crux of the battle. So they want to stop this. So what's going on right now is they have been funding these people. They've been giving them EBT cards. They've been giving them Medicaid. And more than that, just like like they were the um like like they were taking hotels like four and fivestar hotels like the Roosevelt Hotel being the classic example um was they were sending I think $60 million a year to the Roosevelt Hotel to uh which all it did was was house illegals. It used to be a nice hotel. I mean it still is a nice hotel. Um uh but uh and and all around the country this was happening
## 01:44:02
**中文**
>> 以及所有税金。
**English / Original**
>> and all tax dollars.
## 01:44:04
**中文**
>> 是的。 >> 是的。还有>>嗯是的。特朗普政府切断了罗斯福酒店和其他酒店的资金，他们说我们不应该支付美国税款，为非法移民开设豪华酒店，而美国公民甚至买不起，这显然是疯狂的。
**English / Original**
>> Yes. >> Yeah. And >> um Yeah. And uh the Trump administration cut off funding for example to to the uh uh to the you know Roosevelt Hotel and these other hotels saying like we it it's US tax dollars should not be paid be sent to have luxury hotels for illegal immigrants that American citizens can't even afford which obviously is the that's that's insane.
## 01:44:30
**中文**
这就是正在发生的事情。他们还赠送 10,000 美元的借记卡。所以，这不仅仅是医疗保健。嗯，民主党提到医疗保健，因为他们试图尽可能地利用人们的同理心，然后他们想象，哦，哇，有人迫切需要医疗程序，嗯，我们不应该做，你知道，在这方面照顾他们，但他们所做的是他们转移了医疗补助资金，并将其变成了一个远远超出呃紧急医疗护理范围的州的行贿基金。
**English / Original**
That's what was happening. They were also g giving out like debit cards with $10,000. So, it's not just about medical care. Um, the the the Democrats mention the medical care because they're they're trying to prey on people's empathy as much as possible and then they imagine, oh wow, somebody has a desperately needed medical procedure and um shouldn't we maybe do, you know, take care of them in that regard, but but they what they do is they divert the Medicaid funds uh uh and turn it into a slush fund for the for the states that goes well beyond uh emergency medical care.
## 01:45:06
**中文**
如果没有呃，如果没有向这些州支付巨额欺诈性联邦款项来支付非法移民，并为非法移民创造巨大的经济激励，纽约和加利福尼亚州就会破产。 >> 他们怎么会因此而破产呢？ >> 呃，他们无法平衡国家预算，也无法像美联储那样发行货币>>，因此他们平衡预算的能力取决于非法分子获得资金。
**English / Original**
and >> New York and California would be bankrupt without uh without the massive fraudulent federal payments that go to those states to pay for illegals to to to create a massive financial incentive for for illegals. >> How would they be bankrupt because of that? >> Uh they wouldn't be able to balance their state budgets and they can't issue currency like the Federal Reserve can >> and so the their ability to balance budget is dependent upon illegals getting funding.
## 01:45:33
**中文**
这里的诈骗水平是如此惊人。嗯，联邦政府向各州转移支付了数千亿美元。嗯，这些转移支付呃，各州自行报告这些转移支付的数字应该是多少。所以，加利福尼亚州、纽约州和伊利诺伊州疯狂地撒谎，说这些都是合法的付款。好吧，这些天他们我认为他们甚至承认他们确实想要呃数千亿美元
**English / Original**
the the the scam level here is is so staggering. Um so there are there are hundreds of billions of dollars in of of transfer payments from from the federal government to the states. Um those transfer payments uh the the states self-report what those transfer payment numbers should be. So, California and New York and Illinois lie like crazy uh and say and and say that this these are all legitimate payments. Well, these days they I think they they're even admitting that they they literally want uh hundreds of billions of dollars for
## 01:46:12
**中文**
非法分子。嗯但是呃但是有一段时间他们试图否认这一点。嗯，所以你可以为你能想到的每一个政府项目获得这些转移支付。嗯，这些都是由各州自行报告的，至少从历史上看，加利福尼亚州、纽约州、伊利诺伊州和其他州在撒谎时没有执行任何规定。没有实际的执法机构说，“嘿，你在撒谎。这些这些付款都是欺诈性的。”现在，在特朗普政府的领导下，特朗普政府不想向各州发送数千亿美元的欺诈性付款。
**English / Original**
illegals. Um but uh but for a while there they're trying to deny it. Um so you get these transfer payments for for every every government program you can possibly think of. Um and and and these are self-reported by the state and there and and at least historically there was no enforcement of uh of California um New York, Illinois and and and other states when when they would lie. There was no actual enforcement to say like, "Hey, you you're lying. These these these payments are fraudulent." Now, under the Trump administration, um that Trump administration does not want to send hundreds of billions of dollars of fraud fraudulent payments to the states.
## 01:46:53
**中文**
嗯，造成这种僵局的原因是，如果有数千亿美元呃，创造一个经济激励，喜欢有这个巨大的磁铁，吸引来自地球各地的非法移民到呃到这些州，如果关闭的话，他们非法移民就会离开，因为他们不再得到报酬来美国并留在这里。哇。
**English / Original**
the um and the reason you have this the standoff is because if the hundreds hundreds of billions of dollars uh to create a financial incentive to like to have this giant magnet to attract illegals from every part of earth to uh to these states if if that is turned off they the the illegals will leave because they're no longer being paid to come to the United States and stay here. Wow.
## 01:47:20
**中文**
然后他们就会失去很多选民。民主党将失去很多选民>>，如果将其重新引入新法案中，他们的工作将非常困难。 >> 是的。 >> 尤其是一旦事情开始正常化。 >> 是的。简而言之，民主党希望通过输入选民来摧毁民主，而你知道共和党不同意这一点。
**English / Original**
And then then then they will lose a lot of voters. The the the Democratic party will lose a lot of voters >> and they would have a very difficult job if this is kicked out of reintroducing it into a new bill. >> Yes. >> Especially once things start normalizing. >> Yes. So like in a nutshell um the Democratic party wants to destroy democracy by importing voters and the you know the Republican party disagrees with that.
## 01:47:48
**中文**
>> 而诡计是，如果你不接受他们正在做的事情，那么你就是对民主的威胁。 >> 是的。 >> 当他们试图摧毁民主时。 >> 是的。 >> 通过引入选民>>并激励人们只投票给他们>>并压倒系统。是的。顺便说一句，如果允许这个策略发挥作用，它就会发挥作用，而且事实上已经发挥了作用。嗯，加州绝对多数的民主党人。
**English / Original**
>> And the ruse is that if you don't accept what they're doing then you're a threat to democracy. >> Yes. >> As they try to destroy democracy. >> Yes. >> By importing voters >> and incentivizing people to only vote for them >> and overwhelming the system. Yes. And and by the way, it's a strategy that if allowed to work would work and in fact has worked. Um California supermajority Democrat.
## 01:48:14
**中文**
>> 是的。 >> 嗯，而且有如此多的不公正划分选区的情况发生。就是它就是它太疯狂了。嗯，所以 >> 我确信您正在关注第 50 号提案的事情。 >> 这就是加州正在尝试重建地区的事情。 >> 是的。 >> 因为我的意思是加州已经疯狂地不公正地划分选区。是的。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. >> Um and and there's so much gerrymandering that that that occurs. It's it's it's crazy. Um so >> I'm sure you're paying attention to this Proposition 50 thing. >> That's the thing in California where they're trying to re redo districts. >> Yeah. >> Because I mean California is already gerrymandered like crazy. Yeah.
## 01:48:34
**中文**
>> 嗯，他们更想对其进行不公正划分。 >> 嗯，我的意思是 >> 因为它不断向右移动。就像如果你看一下加州的地图，每个投票周期都会有越来越多的人醒来并去做 [ __ ]，我们需要采取一些措施来解决这个问题。除了你们一直以来采取的政策之外，唯一可用的选择就是走正确的道路。
**English / Original**
>> Um they want to gerrymander it even more. >> Um and and I mean >> because it keeps moving further and further right. Like if you look at the map of California each voting cycle more and more people are waking up and going what the [ __ ] and we need to do something to fix this. The only option available other than the policies that you guys have always done is go right.
## 01:48:54
**中文**
>>等很多人都被空空报价红>>药丸了。 >> 是的。 >> 然后还有另一件事非常重要。事实上，双方都没有争议，当我们在美国进行人口普查时，人口普查的方式是根据一个州的人口数量，而不是公民数量，来分配国会席位和选举人团选票，对吗？
**English / Original**
>> And so a lot of people have been air air quotes red >> pill. >> Yeah. >> And and and then here's another thing that is very important. um fact that that is actually not disputed by by either side which is that when when we do the census in the United States, the census, the way the census works uh for aortionment of congressional seats and um electoral electoral college votes for the president is by number of persons in a state, not number of citizens, right?
## 01:49:22
**中文**
>> 这是体育人数。所以你实际上可以成为一名游客并且你会算数。 >> 现在他们如何进行人口普查？他们是这样问人的吗？他们会敲门吗？他们让他们填写表格吗？比如什么？ >> 是的，我想他们会邮寄人口普查表并上门拜访。嗯，但是现在法律的解读方式是，如果你是一个有脉搏的人，嗯嗯，那么你就计入人口普查来分配国会席位和总统选票，>>对吧？所以，呃，你是>>选举团，
**English / Original**
>> It's number of pe people. So you could literally be a tourist and you will count. >> Now how do they do the census when they do that? Do they is it do they ask people? Do they knock on doors? Do they have them fill out forms? Like what? >> Yeah, I think they they mail out census forms and knock on doors. Um but the way the law reads right now um and and uh is that all if if you are a human with a pulse um uh then you count in the census for allocating congressional seats and presidential votes, >> right? So, uh, you so >> electoral college,
## 01:50:04
**中文**
>> 无论你是合法还是非法来到这里并不重要，如果你是一个有脉搏的人，嗯，你就会计入国会的权力。因此，这意味着，呃，人口越多，加州和纽约可以进口的非法移民越多，到 2030 年人口普查时，他们拥有的国会席位就越多，选举人越多，他们将获得的总统选举团选票就越多，所以他们试图在人口普查之前吸引尽可能多的呃非法移民。嗯，因为所有人，甚至游客，都被计入人口普查，然后如果你
**English / Original**
>> it doesn't matter whether you're here legally, illegally, and if if you're a human with a pulse, um, you count for congressional aortionment. So that means that uh the more people the more illegals that California and New York can can import when by the time the census happens in 2030 um the more congressional seats they will have um and the more electoral the more presidential electoral college votes they will have um so they're trying to get as many uh illegals in as possible ahead of the census. Um and because all h all all human beings even tourists count for the census and and then if you
## 01:50:46
**中文**
将其与纽约和加利福尼亚州的选区不公正划分相结合，正如您在这个提案中指出的那样，他们试图增加美国最大的州加利福尼亚州发生的不公正划分的数量。嗯，所以你会得到这样的结果，如果人口普查将授予加州更多的国会席位，因为有大量的非法移民以及纽约和伊利诺伊州。嗯，这样他们就能获得更多的国会席位。他们将获得更多的总统选举团选票，这将使他们在众议院获得多数席位，并且他们将根据法律决定谁是总统。这
**English / Original**
combine that with gerrymandering of of districts in New York and California as you point out with this proposition where they're trying to increase the amount of gerrymandering that occurs in California, the biggest state in the country. Um so so you get so so if the this if this the census then would award more congressional seats to California uh because of a vast number of illegals and New York and Illinois. Um so they get more congressional seats. They would get more presidential electoral college votes getting that would get them the house the uh a majority in the house and and and they would get to decide who is president uh based literally based on legals. This
## 01:51:28
**中文**
这些都不是双方都没有争议的事实。我想强调的是，这是深入人心的。 >> 是的，这不是 >> 这些都不是任何一方有争议的事实。这不是这个，这些只是法律的运作方式。就是这样，你知道，我认为法律不应该这样运作。呃，我认为分配应该与公民成比例。
**English / Original**
is these are not disputed facts by either party. I want to emphasize that that's sink in. >> Yeah, this is not a >> These are not disputed facts by either party. It's not a this these are just this is just the the way the law works. It it's it is a you know like I don't think the law should work that way. Uh I think it should the aortionment should be proportionate to to to citizens.
## 01:51:54
**中文**
>>但这难道不是宪法写法的问题吗？ >> 是的。是的。是的。 >> 嗯，>> 他们无法真正改变这一点。 >> 我不确定这是否符合宪法，但它就是法律的编写方式。我不确定宪法中是否有这样的规定，但是嗯，法律就是这样写的。
**English / Original**
>> But isn't that a problem with how the constitution is written? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Um, >> they can't really change that. >> I I'm not sure if it's constitutional or u but it it it is the way the law is written. I'm not sure if it's in the constitution or not in this way, but um but it is that is the way the law is written.
## 01:52:11
**中文**
>> 因此，这是一种激励措施，但这种激励措施可以通过一些对每个人都有意义的简单措施来消除，即只有美国正式公民才应该被考虑在内。 >> 是的。因此，它的运作方式应该是，只有美国公民才应该计入人口普查，以确定投票权>>因为不合法的人不能投票。
**English / Original**
>> So, it is an incentive and but it's an incentive that would be removed with something simple that makes sense to everybody that only the people that should count are people that are official US citizens. >> Yes. So, the way the way it should work is that only US citizens should count in the census for purposes of of determining voting power >> because people that aren't legal can't vote supposedly.
## 01:52:34
**中文**
>> 他们不应该投票。嗯，但是他们确实这么做了。嗯嗯，但即使除此之外，就像我说的那样，我我只是不能充分强调这一点，因为这是人们理解的一个非常重要的概念。嗯，法律，现行法律，统计一个州内所有有脉搏的人，以决定一个州获得多少众议院选票和总统选举团选票。因此，加利福尼亚州、纽约州和伊利诺伊州的激励措施是最大限度地增加非法移民的数量，这样他们就可以得到席位，这样他们就可以占据众议院席位
**English / Original**
>> They're not supposed to be voting. Um but but they do. Um uh but but even even if even besides that, like said, I I I just can't emphasize this enough because this is a very important concept for people to understand. um is that the law um the the law as it stands um counts all humans with a pulse in in in in a state for deciding how many u house of representative votes and how many presidential electoral college votes uh a a state gets. So the incentive therefore is uh to uh for California, New York and Illinois to maximize the number of illegals so they get so they get um so that they take house seats
## 01:53:15
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将远离红州的地区分配给加利福尼亚州、纽约州、伊利诺伊州等。嗯，然后你将其与加利福尼亚州、纽约州、伊利诺伊州等地的极端选区划分结合起来。所以基本上你甚至不能选举任何共和党人，然后他们控制了总统职位，控制了众议院，然后他们继续执行该策略，并巩固了绝对多数。
**English / Original**
away from red states assign them to California, New York, Illinois and so forth. Um then then you combine that with extreme gerrymandering in in you know California, New York, Illinois and and whatnot. So that that basically you you can't even elect any Republicans and then they get control of the presidency, control of the house, then they keep doing that strategy um and and cement a supermajority.
## 01:53:41
**中文**
这就是他们正在努力做的事情。 >> 因此，这实际上会将整个国家变成加利福尼亚州。 >> 是的。 >> 如果您有不同意见，但这并不重要，因为一方始终处于控制之中。 >> 是的。嗯，>> 当你第一次开始深入研究这个问题时，当你第一次开始研究这个问题时，甚至在你接受运行 Doge 的角色并成为这一切的一部分之前，你是否知道它是这样的 [ __ ] ？
**English / Original**
That is what they're trying to do. >> So that would essentially turn the entire country into California. >> Yes. >> Where you have differing opinions, but it doesn't matter because one party is always in control. >> Yes. Um, >> when you first started digging into this, when you first started before you even accepted this role of running Doge and being a part of all that, did you have any idea that it was this [ __ ] up?
## 01:54:05
**中文**
>> 嗯，我做到了。是的。我的意思是，我有点>>你什么时候开始知道的？ >> 嗯，我猜大约是两年前。 >> 这不是很疯狂吗？ >> 是的。就像最近一样，你知道。所以>>也许我开始有一种不好的预感，大约3年前，这就是为什么>>呃为什么我觉得收购Twitter是至关重要的，嗯，拥有一个最大限度地寻求真相的平台，而不是一个压制真相的平台。嗯，嗯，更像是我喜欢我不确定发生了什么事，但我对发生的事情有一种不好的预感。然后我越深入地研究它，我就越想，“神圣的[__]我们
**English / Original**
>> Um, I I did. Yeah. I I mean, I sort of >> When did you start knowing? >> Um, I guess about like Well, about two years ago. >> Isn't that crazy? >> Yeah. like relatively recently, you know. So >> maybe I started I started having an well I I started like basically having a bad feeling about 3 years ago, which is why which was which is when >> uh why I felt it was like critical to acquire Twitter um and have a maximally truth seeeking platform, not one that suppresses the truth. Um and um like it it was more it was more like I like I'm not sure what's going on, but I have a I have a bad feeling about what's going on. And then the more I dug into it, the more I was like, "Holy [ __ ] we
## 01:54:46
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这里遇到了真正的问题，美国将会崩溃。”所以，呃，>>在没有人知道它已经崩溃的情况下，这就是问题所在。如果没有人真正意识到发生了什么，它可能已经崩溃并且无法挽回，尤其是如果你没有购买 Twitter。>>是的，就是这样。看，购买 Twitter 是一个巨大的痛苦。
**English / Original**
got a real problem here and America's going to fall." So, uh, >> without anyone knowing it had fallen, that's that would be the problem. It could have fallen and been unrepable without anyone really being aware of what had happened, especially if you didn't buy Twitter. >> Yes, that's that's it. Look, buying Twitter was a a huge pain in the ass.
## 01:55:06
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嗯，让我成为了一个针垫式的攻击。就像轻轻一点、一点一点、一点一点。 >> 在那之前每个人都爱你。 >> 好吧，有些人爱>> 很多人爱你。很多左撇子都爱你。 >> 呃，我是左翼英雄。就>>而言，如果你开特斯拉，就表明你有环保意识，而且你站在正确的一边。
**English / Original**
Um, and made me a a a a pin cushion of attacks. Like dab dab stab dab dab. >> Everybody loved you before that. >> Well, some people love >> a lot of people loved you. A lot of lefties loved you. >> Uh, I I was a hero of the left. As far as >> the thing, if you drove a Tesla, it showed that you were environmentally conscious and you were on the right side.
## 01:55:27
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>> 呃，是的。嗯，是的。我的意思是，我仍然是同一个人。我不喜欢在这之间进行大脑移植，你知道，因为大约三年前，你知道。嗯>>嗯，这是我最喜欢的保险杠贴纸，人们现在贴在特斯拉上。我在埃隆发疯之前买了这个。 >> 前几天我拍了一张照片。哦，你找到人了。哦，是的。我已经见过三四个了。
**English / Original**
>> Uh, yeah. Um, yeah. I mean, I'm still the same human. I didn't like have a brain transplant between, you know, since in like three years ago, you know. Um >> Well, that's my favorite bumper sticker that people put on Teslas now. I bought this before Elon went crazy. >> I took a picture of one the other day. Oh, you found somebody. Oh, yeah. I've seen I've seen three or four of them.
## 01:55:49
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人们的汽车保险杠上贴着这样的贴纸，上面写着：“我在埃隆发疯之前买了这个。”因为当人们破坏特斯拉时 >> 是的。嗯，最有组织的活动就是烧毁特斯拉，我们的一位经销商被枪射中，就像他们向特斯拉经销店开枪一样。他们正在烧毁汽车。
**English / Original**
People that have these bumper stickers on their car that says, "I bought this before Elon went crazy." Because when people were vandalizing Teslas >> Yeah. Um the most there was organized campaign to literally burn down Teslas and and we had one of our dealers got shot up with a gun like they fired bullets into the in the Tesla dealership. They're burning down cars.
## 01:56:12
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呃，太疯狂了。嗯嗯，但是保险杠贴纸上应该写着保险杠贴纸上应该有一个附录。就好像我在埃隆发疯之前买了这辆车。事实上，现在我意识到他并没有疯，我已经看到了曙光。 [笑声] >> 这需要一些时间。这需要一些时间。人们不愿意承认自己被欺骗了。
**English / Original**
Uh it was crazy. Um uh so but the bumper sticker should read there should be an an addendum to the bumper sticker. It's like I bought this car before uh Elon turned crazy. Actually, now I realize he's not crazy and I've seen the light. [laughter] >> That'll take some time. That'll take some time. People don't want to admit that they've been tricked.
## 01:56:37
**中文**
>> 是的。我的意思是，有句老话说，愚弄某人真的很容易，但要让某人相信他们被愚弄了几乎是不可能的。 >> 是的。愚弄他们比让他们相信自己被愚弄要容易得多。人们坚持自己的想法。 >> 是的。尤其是当他们愿意公开声明这些事情时，他们会因为自己的愚蠢而感到非常尴尬。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. I mean, there's that old saying where it's like it's really easy to fool somebody, but it's almost impossible to convince someone that they were fooled. >> Yeah. It's much easier to fool them than to convince them they've been fooled. People cling to their ideas. >> Yes. They especially if they've like publicly stated these things, they get very embarrassed of being foolish.
## 01:56:57
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>> 是的。人们大多数时候都会加倍努力。 >> 嗯，呃>> 他们发现了回声室。 >> 是的。是的。但你知道，事情就像我一样，你知道我看到越来越多的人相信这种工作意识形态，嗯，看到了曙光。 >> 是的。所以，不是每个人，但越来越多的人看到了曙光。嗯，而且它往往会发生，就像当某件事发生时，你知道，直接影响你，>>对吧？
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. People most time they double down. >> Um and uh >> and they find echo chambers. >> Yeah. Yeah. But but there's you know the thing is that like I you know I've seen more and more people who were convinced of the sort of work ideology um see the light. >> Yeah. So, not everyone, but it's more and more um are seeing the light. Um and and it tends to happen like when when something happens that really, you know, directly affects you, >> right?
## 01:57:27
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>> 嗯，你就像我的一个朋友，他住在旧金山湾区，他试图把他的女儿变性，所以学校派了警察到他家把他的女儿从他身边带走。现在，这会让你变得激进。好吧，这会打破，也会把你从你的蓝色结构中摇出来。
**English / Original**
>> Um you like there was a friend of mine who uh was living in in the San Francisco Bay area and um that tried to trans his his his daughter um did like to the point where the the school like sent sent the police to his house to take his daughter away from him. Now, now that's going to radicalize you. Well, that's going to break that's going to shake you out of your blue structure.
## 01:57:54
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嗯，现在我知道了，>> 所以是学校的一位积极分子试图这样做。 >> 是的，学校、加州和加利福尼亚州密谋让他的女儿反对他，让她服用改变生活的药物，这会让她不可逆转地绝育。 >> 她几岁了？我想是14，类似的东西。嗯，所以，但是他那天设法说服警察不要把他的女儿从他身边带走。嗯，那天晚上他登上了飞往德克萨斯州的飞机。
**English / Original**
Um, now I know, >> so it was an activist at the school that was trying to do this. >> Yeah, the school and the and the state of California conspired to turn his daughter against him and uh make her take uh lifealtering drugs that would have sterilized her um and uh irreversible. >> And how old was she? I think 14, something like that. Um, so and but he he managed to talk the police out of taking his daughter away from him that day. Um, and that that night he got on a plane to Texas.
## 01:58:29
**中文**
>> 哇。嗯，呃，就像你知道的，一年后，就在大奥斯汀地区的一所学校里，嗯，她去了，她回到了正常的意思，就像这不是真的>>对>>嗯，人们现在对此更加开放了。我的意思是《华尔街日报》昨天发表了一篇评论文章，称整个跨性别事件有很多证据是一种社会传染。
**English / Original**
>> Wow. Um and uh like you know a year after just being in in a in a school in like greater Austin area um she she went she came went back to normal meaning like it it wasn't real >> right >> um well people are being much more open to that now. I mean Wall Street Journal uh yesterday had that opinion piece that this whole trans thing there's a lot of evidence is a social contagion.
## 01:58:59
**中文**
绝对地。 >> 科林·赖特 (Colin Wright) 写道。当然，他现在也收到了死亡威胁。在蓝天上，有人在谈论消灭他，显然，这是你可以在蓝天上说的一件事。 >> 你可以对那些对整个社会传染病说的可能是真实的事情的人说可怕的话。因为这就是当你有九个孩子在一个朋友圈子里，他们都决定一起变性时的情况。
**English / Original**
Absolutely. >> And Colin Wright wrote that. And then he's getting death threats now, of course. And on Blue Sky, there's people talking about exterminating him, which is one thing that you are allowed to say on Blue Sky, apparently. >> You're you're allowed to say horrible things about people saying possibly truthful things about this whole social contagion. Cuz that's what when you get nine kids that are in a friend group and they all decide to turn trans together.
## 01:59:24
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是的。 >> 出问题了。这不是统计数据>> 是的。就像你可以说服孩子做任何事情一样。你可以说服孩子们成为自杀式炸弹袭击者，>>对吧？ >> 所以>> 这就是为什么在某些国家他们选择孩子这样做的原因。 >> 是的。你可以训练孩子成为自杀式炸弹袭击者。如果你能训练孩子们成为自杀式炸弹袭击者，你就可以让他们相信任何事情。
**English / Original**
Yeah. >> Something's wrong. That's not statistically >> Yeah. Like here's the like you can convince kids to do anything. You can convince kids to be a suicide bomber, >> right? >> So >> which is why they do with in in some countries why they choose children to do that. >> Yes. You can train kids to be suicide bombers. And if you can train kids to be su suicide bombers, you can convince them of anything.
## 01:59:45
**中文**
>> 是的。尤其是在足够积极的执法和文化执法的情况下，你>>并且认为情况并非如此。 >> 孩子们孩子们是可塑性很强的孩子。青少年的思想很容易被腐蚀。 >> 你也会看到很多同性恋者的反击，他们说，“嘿，如果有人>>别再把我包括在内。没错。LGPT，你知道，就像，等一下，为什么我们总是被包括在这种情况下？”
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Especially with enough positive enforcement and cultural enforcement and you >> and and the idea that that that's not the case. >> Kids kids are kids are um malleable. The minds of youth are easily corrupted. >> You're also seeing a lot of push back from gay and lesbian people that are saying like, "Hey, if someone >> stop including me in Yeah. Exactly. the LGBT, you know, it's like, wait a second, why are we being included all the time in this situation?"
## 02:00:10
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>> 正是如此。确切地。特别是当，你知道，就像我的朋友蒂姆·迪伦谈到的那样，这真的是恐同症，因为你带着这些同性恋孩子，你告诉他们，“嘿，你不是同性恋。你实际上是一个女孩。” >> 是的。你知道，嘿，嘿，去做吧，这样你就再也不会有高潮了，你就会很快乐。
**English / Original**
>> Exactly. Exactly. When especially when, you know, like my friend Tim Dylan's talked about this is like it's really homophobic because you're taking these gay kids and you're you're telling them like, "Hey, you're not gay. You're actually a girl." >> Yes. and you know, hey, hey, go make it so that you can never have an orgasm again and you'll be happy.
## 02:00:29
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>> 就像，>> 是的，>> [ __ ] 永久残害，对孩子的永久阉割就像我认为 >> 我我我们应该看看呃任何永久阉割孩子的人就像伊瑟夫·曼格勒一样。 >> 是的。 >> 我的意思是，他们正在残害儿童。 >> 是的。是的。嗯，这被认为是友善的。问题是，你想要一个活着的女儿还是一个死去的儿子？
**English / Original**
>> Like, >> yeah, >> [ __ ] permanent mutilation, permanent castration of of kids is like I I think >> I I we should look look at at uh anyone who permanently castrates a kid as like right up there with Ysef Mangler. >> Yeah. >> I mean, they're they're mutilating children. >> Yeah. Yeah. And um it's thought of as being kind. And the thing is, would you rather have a live daughter or a dead son?
## 02:00:57
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>> 这就是他们使用的线路。 >> 是的。这是没有任何数据支持的。 >> 不会。事实上，自杀的可能性增加了。 >> 对。 >> 对于观众来说，了解这一点也许很重要。呃，如果你是过境儿童，自杀的可能性会增加，而不是减少。 >> 根据某些说法，它增加了两倍。所以这是一个邪恶的谎言。这是一个据称是富有同情心的谎言。想象一下，你已经扭曲了现实，让一个甚至在法律上都不允许纹身的孩子感到困惑。
**English / Original**
>> That's that's the that's the line they use. >> Yeah. Which is not supported by any data. >> No. In fact, the the probability of suicide increases. >> Right. >> This is important maybe for the audience to know. Uh the probability of suicide increases if you're transit kid, not decreases. >> By some accounts, it triples. So that that is an evil lie. And it's a lie that is supposedly compassionate. Imagine you've twisted reality to the point where confusing a child that's not even legally allowed to get a [ __ ] tattoo.
## 02:01:31
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>> 是的。 >> 对。因为你认为纹身是一种完全可去除的东西，你可能会犯错误，>>对吗？ >> 如果我愿意，明天我可以去看医生，他们可以激光去除我身上的每个纹身。 >> 对。 >> 好的。没有伤害，没有犯规。是的。但你就这样永远绝育了。永远。是的，>>他们会阉割你。你不再有睾丸了。你没有阴茎。你的阴茎原来所在的地方有一个洞。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. >> Right. Because you think that you could make a mistake with a tattoo, a totally removable thing, >> right? >> If I wanted to, tomorrow I can go to a doctor and they could laser off every tattoo that I have on me. >> Right. >> Okay. No harm, no foul. Yeah. But you get sterilized like that's it forever. Forever. Yes, >> they'll castrate you. You no longer have testicles. You have no penis. You have a hole where your penis used to be.
## 02:01:54
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>> 是的。 >> 这是富有同情心的，这会阻止你>> 事实上，很多孩子死于这些呃变性手术。他们死在手术台上的死亡人数。人们没有听说过这些。很多孩子因为我们实际上没有技术来实现这项工作。所以很多时候孩子们就在变性手术中死去。
**English / Original**
>> Yes. >> And this is compassionate and this is preventing you from >> Actually, a lot of kids die uh in in with the these uh sex change operations. They die the number of deaths on the operating table. People don't hear about those. A lot of kids because that we it's we don't really actually have the technology to make this work. So a bunch of the times the kids just die in the sex change operations.
## 02:02:18
**中文**
>> 耶稣基督。 >> 是的。它是疯狂的，应该被视为就像你知道的那样，基本上就像邪恶的纳粹医生的东西一样。这就是为什么它就像真正的纳粹而不是[__]假纳粹的东西。 >> 疯狂的是，即使是反对一些从根本上逻辑上很容易争论的东西，旧的 Twitter 也会永远禁止你。呃，是的。
**English / Original**
>> Jesus Christ. >> Yeah. It's it's demented which it should be viewed as like you know um like like evil Nazi doctor stuff basically. That's why it was like real Nazi not the [ __ ] fake Nazi stuff. >> Crazy that even pushing back against something that seems like fundamentally logically very easy to argue the old Twitter would ban you forever. Uh, yes.
## 02:02:45
**中文**
>>当社会传染病完全违背逻辑、伤害儿童、做一些毫无意义、没有数据支持的事情时，这就是社会传染的疯狂程度，所有这些都与“跨性别者是好的”这一意识形态有关。我们必须拯救跨性别儿童，保护跨性别儿童。 >> 是的。我想强调的是，拯救跨性别儿童的说法是一个谎言。嗯，如果你如果你阉割孩子并把他们变性，自杀的可能性就会增加。它并没有减少。
**English / Original**
>> That's how crazy a social contagion can get when it completely defies logic, victimizes children, does something that makes no sense, does not supported by data, all connected to this ideology that trans is good. We got to save trans kids, protect trans kids. >> Yeah. And what I want to emphasize is that the the save trans kids thing is a lie. Um if if you if you if you castrate kids and trans them the probability of suicide increases. It does not decrease.
## 02:03:15
**中文**
它大幅增加。嗯，研究表明，如果你是跨性别孩子，自杀的风险会增加三倍。所以你不是在拯救他们，而是在杀死他们。而且，在变性手术过程中，发生变性手术过程中死亡的情况也不少。 >> 耶稣基督。这是一个真正的问题，这真是太疯狂了。
**English / Original**
It substantially increases. Um the the the studies have done that I've seen the the risk of suicide triples if you trans kids. So you're not saving them, you're killing them. Moreover, during the sex change operation, there are many deaths that occur during the sex change operation. >> Jesus Christ. It's just crazy that this is a real issue.
## 02:03:43
**中文**
>> 是的，这是一场噩梦般的狂热梦想，人们终于从其中醒来。现在，当你开始研究 Doge 的事情，并开始发现有多少资金被洗牌并转移到 NOS 上，以及涉及了多少钱，而像这样完全无法追踪的资金又是两年多前的事情了，你并没有意识到这一切。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah, it it's a nightmare fever dream and and people are finally waking up from it. Now, when you started getting into the Doge stuff and started finding how much money is being shuffled around and moved around to NOS's and how much money is involved and just totally untraceable funds like this is again something like two years plus ago you weren't aware of it all.
## 02:04:15
**中文**
>> 不，我知道这一点。嗯，我只是没有意识到它有多大。政府中有多少浪费和资金确实是巨大的。嗯，事实上，政府甚至不知道，也不在乎。 >> 这太疯狂了。 >> 是的。 >> 而且 >> 我的意思是，就像 Doge 所做的一些非常基本的事情一样，嗯将会产生持久的影响。嗯，其中一些事情是如此简单，你简直不敢相信。所以，嗯，doge 团队得到了嗯，你知道最重要的
**English / Original**
>> No, I was aware of it. Um I just didn't realize how how the how big it was. just just just how much waste and forward there is in the government is truly vast. Um in fact the government didn't even know um and nor did they care. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah. >> And >> I mean just like some of the very basic stuff that Doge did um will have lasting effects. Um and some of these things like they're so elementary you can't believe it. So, um the the doge team got the um you know the the mo most of the
## 02:04:54
**中文**
主要支付计算机需要呃国会拨款代码。因此，付款时，您必须实际输入国会拨款卡。这曾经是可选的，并且通常会留空。因此，这笔钱会直接花出去，但它甚至与国会拨款无关。然后他们荷兰队也将付款的评论字段设为强制性。所以你必须说点什么。我们并不是说你说什么就可以说什么。你你你的猫可能会在键盘上跑来跑去。呃，你可以询问航空自卫队，但你必须说一些高于一切的事情，因为我们发现有数百亿甚至数千亿
**English / Original**
main payments computers um to require uh the the congressional appropriation code. So, when a payment is made, you have to actually enter the congressional appropriation card. That used to be optional and and often would be just left blank. So, the money would just go out, but it wasn't even tied to a congressional appropriation. Then they also Dutch team also made the uh comment field for the payment mandatory. So you have to say something. We're not saying that what what is said like you can say anything. You you your cat could run across the keyboard. Uh you could go querty ASDF but you have to say something above nothing because what we found was that there were tens of billions maybe hundreds of billions of
## 02:05:34
**中文**
美元是僵尸支付。所以就像有人批准了一笔付款，嗯，政府中的某人批准了一笔付款，嗯，一些经常性付款，嗯，他们退休或死亡或换工作，没有人关掉这笔钱。因此，钱会继续流出，而且很少有公司或个人会抱怨他们得到了不应该得到的钱，而且一大笔钱只是流向了各州的转移支付。
**English / Original**
dollars that were zombie payments. So there like somebody had approved a payment uh uh somebody in the government approved a payment um and uh some recurring payment and um they retired or died or changed jobs and no one turned the money off. So the money would just keep going out and and it's a pretty rare >> go where >> to to the a company or an individual um and it's a pretty rare company or individual who will complain that they're getting money that they should not get and and a bunch of the money was just going to the were transfer payments to the states.
## 02:06:13
**中文**
>> 所以这些都是自动付款，根本没有会计处理。 >> 我想象你的信用卡会自动扣款>> 嗯，你从来不看对账单，>> 对吧？嗯，所以只是钱出去了。呃，这就是为什么我称它们为“僵尸支付”。嗯，它们可能在某一时刻是合法的，但是批准经常性付款的人，换工作，去世，退休，或者其他什么，而且没有人关掉这笔钱。
**English / Original**
>> So these are automatic payments there no accounting for them at all. >> I imagine like like there's an automatic debit of your credit card >> um and you don't you never look at the statement, >> right? Um, so it's just money going out. Uh, that's why I call them zombie payments. Um, that there might have been they might have been legitimate at one point, but the person who approved that recurring payment um, changed jobs, died, retired, or whatever, and no one ever turned the money off.
## 02:06:43
**中文**
我的猜测是，每年可能至少有 1000 亿，也许 200。去哪里 >> 呃到呃呃我的意思是有数百万笔这样的付款。所以我的意思是>>数百万>>呃是的>>数百万笔付款谁知道会流向哪里。 >> 是的。在很多情况下，都有欺诈团伙运营呃专业欺诈团伙，这些团伙利用该系统进行操作。嗯，他们发现了系统中的一些安全漏洞，他们只是进行专业欺诈。嗯嗯你知道
**English / Original**
And my guess is that's probably at least a hundred billion a year, maybe 200. and going where >> uh to to uh uh I mean there there are millions of these payments. So so it's I mean >> millions >> uh yes >> millions of payments that are going to who knows where. >> Yes. In a bunch of cases there are fraud rings that operate uh professional fraud rings that operate to exploit the system. um they figure out some security hole in the system and they just do professional fraud. Um and um you know
## 02:07:25
**中文**
例如，我们在社会保障管理数据库中找到了您认识的 300 岁的人。现在，我认为这是一个错误，没有登记他们的死亡，人们就像很久以前出生的那样，它已经默认为某个数字，所以过了一段时间这些人仍然在系统中。
**English / Original**
that's where we found for example people who were you know 300 years old in the social security administration database. Now, I thought that this was uh a mistake of not registering their deaths that people were born like a long time ago and it had defaulted to like a certain number and so that after time those people were still in the system.
## 02:07:49
**中文**
这只是会计处理方式上的错误。 >> 是的。所以，嗯，这不是真的。因此，有或至少有两件事之一必须是真的。嗯，有一个打字错误或计算机中的一些错误，或者它是欺诈性的，但我们没有任何 300 岁的吸血鬼生活在美国。 >> 据称。 >> 据称。嗯，嗯，或者或者或者，在某些情况下，我们没有那些正在接受付款的人是未来出生的。
**English / Original**
It was just an error of the the way the accounting was done. >> Yeah. So, um that's not true. So, there's or or at least one of two things must be true. um the there's a there's a typo or or some mistake in the computer or it's fraudulent, but we don't have any 300-year-old vampires uh living in America. >> Allegedly. >> Allegedly. Um and uh or or and we don't have people in some cases who's who are receiving payments who are born in the future.
## 02:08:22
**中文**
[笑声] >> 出生在未来。 >> 诞生于未来。 >> 真的吗？ >> 是的。那些收到付款的人，他们的出生日期呃嗯就像是在 2100 年，等等 >> 好吧，所以有 >> 就像下个世纪 >> 有一个任务 >> 我们知道我们知道两件事之一一定是真的，嗯，要么计算机出现错误，要么是欺诈，但如果你有某人的出生日期，要么是未来的，要么是他们比在世最年长的美国人还要老，因为在世最年长的美国人是 114 岁，所以如果他们超过114 年，嗯，要么有一个错误，有人应该打电话给他们并说我我想我们有你的生日呃错了
**English / Original**
[laughter] >> Born in the future. >> Born in the future. >> Really? >> Yes. there the people receiving payments whose birth date uh um was like in 2100 and something >> okay so there's >> like next century >> is there a task >> we know we know that one of two things must be true um that that that either there's a mistake in the computer or it's fraud but if you have someone's birth date that's either in the future or where they are older than the oldest living American because the oldest living American is 114 years old so if they're more than 114 years um there is either a mistake and someone should should call them and say I I think we have your birthday uh wrong
## 02:09:03
**中文**
因为它说你出生在 17 年，你知道 8086 嗯，嗯，你知道那是在你知道之前，嗯，你知道，在真正有一个美国之前，你知道这就像呃，你知道有点早，你知道我们仍在与英格兰之类的事情作战呃[笑]你就像呃，这个人要么需要进入吉尼斯世界纪录，要么他们不活着，>>但到了最后，钱还是流向了那个与此人相关的帐户要么不存在，要么>>就像是的。所以就像呃
**English / Original**
because it says you were born in 17 you know 8086 um and um you know that was before you know um you know before there was really an America you know it was it was like uh you know kind of early you know we're still fighting England type of thing uh [laughter] you It's like uh this person either needs to be in the Guinness Book of World Records or or they're not alive, >> but still at the end of the day, money is going towards that account that's connected to this person that is either non-existent or >> so like like Yeah. So there was like uh
## 02:09:43
**中文**
我想嗯，就像我不知道社会保障管理局数据库中的 2000 万人一样，他们不可能活着，嗯，如果他们的出生日期是根据他们的出生日期，他们不可能活着。 >> 然后要明确的是，有 2000 万人正在接受资金 >> 呃，他们中的大多数人都没有收到资金。
**English / Original**
I think um something like I don't know 20 million uh people in the Social Security Administration database that could not possibly be alive um if their birth date is like based on their birth date they could not possibly be alive. >> And then to be clear 20 million people that were receiving funds >> uh a bunch of most of them were not receiving funds.
## 02:10:07
**中文**
其中一些人正在接受资金。大多数人没有收到资金。但让我告诉你这个骗局是如何运作的。这是银行的一枪。因此，社会保障管理局数据库被政府使用的所有其他数据库用作事实来源。因此，即使他们停止在社会保障管理局数据库上支付失业保险、小企业管理局、学生贷款等款项，也会检查社会保障管理局数据库，以确定这是一个合法活着的人吗？呃，如果社会保障数据库说是的话，那么这个人即使已经 200 岁了，仍然还活着。嗯，但忘了说他们是 200
**English / Original**
Some of them were receiving funds. Most were not receiving funds. But so let me tell you how the scam works. It's it's a bank shot. So the Social Security Administration database is used as the source of truth by all the other databases that the government uses. So even if they stop the payments on the Social Security Administration database like unemployment insurance, Small Business Administration, student loans all check the Social Security Administration database to say is this is this a legitimate alived person? And uh and if the social security database will say yes, this person is still alive even though they're 200 years old. Um but forgets to mention that they're 200
## 02:10:45
**中文**
岁了，它只是说，当计算机查询时，它只是返回呃呃，它说是的，这个人还活着。这样他们就能够利用政府生态系统的整个其余部分。所以假的，然后你会得到假的学生贷款，然后你会得到假的失业保险，然后你会得到假的医疗付款。这并不一定要与某个人联系在一起，只要有一个地址，你就可以检查这个人的情况。
**English / Original**
years old, it just says it just returns uh uh when when the computer is queries, it says yes, this person is alive. And so then they're able to exploit the entire rest of the government ecosystem. So fake then you get fake student loans, then you get fake unemployment insurance, then you get fake medical payments. And this doesn't have to be tied to an individual where where there's an address where you can check on this person.
## 02:11:10
**中文**
>> 不，如果你确实做了任何检查，你就会阻止这一切。 >> 所以，所以，所以就是这样，就是这样 >> 你认为多少钱 >> 任何会停止的支票都会像任何努力一样停止前进？ >> 嗯，是的。 >> 所以，有多个层次。社会安全号码验证这是一个真实的人，然后其他系统检查所有其他政府付款和所有其他政府付款系统的一切，例如小型企业管理呃学生贷款呃医疗补助医疗保险呃每个其他政府付款，其中有很多，实际上有数百个
**English / Original**
>> No, if you did do if just did any check at all, you would stop this. >> So, so, so that's that that that's so so >> And how much money do you think is >> any check like anything at all that would stop would stop the forward like any effort at all? >> Um, yeah. >> So, there's multiple layers. the social security number verifies that this is a real person and then the other systems check every other government payment and every other government payment system for everything for like small small business administration uh student loans uh Medicaid Medicare uh every other government payment of which there are many there there actually hundreds of
## 02:11:50
**中文**
只要社会保障数据库显示此人还活着，政府支付系统呃都可以被利用，这就是骗局的本质，这是银行射击。那么民主党的反驳就像是，哦，在社会保障管理局中被标记为活着的绝大多数人并没有收到社会保障管理局的付款。确实如此。他们忘记提及的是，他们从其他所有政府项目中都获得了欺诈性付款。
**English / Original**
government payment systems uh can all be exploited so long as social security database says this person is alive that's the nature of the scam It's a bank shot. So then the then the rebuttal from the Dems is like, oh well the vast majority of the people who are marked as alive in the Social Security Administration weren't receiving Social Security Administration payments. That is true. What they forgot to mention is they're getting fraudulent payments from every other government program.
## 02:12:17
**中文**
这就是为什么DM如此反对转而宣布某人已经死亡，因为这会阻止所有其他欺诈行为的发生。所以，但这一切都像所有其他欺诈行为一样可以追踪。 >> 如果他们愿意，他们可以追查这一切。 >> 是的。这并不难。 >> 然而他们反对追究这一切。
**English / Original**
And that's why the the DMs were so opposed to turning off to to declaring someone dead who was dead because it would stop the entire other all the other fraud from happening. And so, but all this is it trackable like all this other fraud. >> If they wanted to, they could chase it all down. >> Yeah. It's not even hard. >> And yet they're opposing chasing it all down.
## 02:12:38
**中文**
>> 他们反对追查一切，因为这会关闭非法分子的金钱磁铁。哇。因为喜欢我说的是最符合常识的事情是非常合乎逻辑的。如果某人的生日在社会保障中是不可能的生日，这意味着他们比在世的最年长的美国人年长或出生在未来，那么你应该打电话给他们并说：“对不起，我们似乎把你的生日弄错了。”
**English / Original**
>> They're opposing chasing it all down because it would it turns off the money magnet for the illegals. Wow. Because it's very logical to to like like I'm saying the most common sense things possible. If someone's got uh a birthday in social security that is an impossible birthday, meaning they are older than the oldest living American or were born in the future, then you should call them and say, "Excuse me, we seem to have your birthday wrong."
## 02:13:13
**中文**
呃，因为上面写着你已经 200 岁了。这就是您需要做的全部。嗯，然后>>然后您可以将它们从社会保障数据库中删除，并使该号码不再可用于所有其他政府付款。 >> 正是如此。 >> 哇。我们说的是多少钱？ >> 价值数百亿美元。
**English / Original**
Uh because it says that you're 200 years old. That's all you need to do. Um, and >> and then you would remove them from the social security database and make that number no longer available for all those other government payments. >> Exactly. >> Wow. And how much money are we talking? >> It's hund hundreds of billions of dollars.
## 02:13:34
**中文**
>> 而这一切都是有迹可循的。就像你可以猎杀所有 >> 就像你不需要成为夏洛克·福尔摩斯一样，这就是我所说的。 >> 好吧，我们不需要为此打电话给夏洛克·福尔摩斯。 >> 这部分是不是你只需要打电话给那个人>> 并说，“对不起，我们要么我们似乎有[笑声]，就像我们我们一定把你的生日搞错了，因为它说你已经 200 岁了，或者是在未来出生的。嗯，你能告诉我们你的生日是什么吗？
**English / Original**
>> And this is all traceable. Like you could hunt all >> like you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes here is what I'm saying. >> Well, this we don't need to call Sherlock Holmes for this one. Is this part of >> you just need to call the person >> and and say, "Excuse me, we either we we seem to have the [laughter] like we we we must have your birthday wrong because it says you're 200 years old or were born uh in the future. Um so could you tell us what your birthday is?
## 02:14:00
**中文**
这就是您需要做的全部。就这么简单。”但是所有其他可用的政府付款都与这个社会保障号码相关，似乎如果你只是追查所有这些，是的。>>你会发现广泛的欺诈行为。你会发现它的去向。>>是的。但问题的根源是社会保障管理数据库，因为美国的社会保障号码被用作事实上的国民身份证号码。
**English / Original**
That's all you need to do. It's it's that simple." But the all these other government payments that are available that are connected to this social security number, it seems like if you just chased that all down, Yeah. >> you would find the widespread fraud. You would find where it's going. >> Yes. The but the root of the problem is the social security administration database because um the social security number in the United States is used as a deacto national ID number.
## 02:14:32
**中文**
您知道这就是为什么银行总是要求您提供社会安全号码，就像您知道任何金融机构都会要求您提供社会安全号码一样。 >> 这听起来太疯狂了，以至于没有被追查。我的意思是>>我同意>>我的意思是我的意思是这本身就是一种处理不当。 >> 是的。不，这是令人兴奋的。嗯，是的，这太疯狂了。
**English / Original**
You know that's why like the bank always asks for your social like the you know any financial institution will ask for your social security number. >> This is it sounds so insane that this isn't chased down. I mean >> I agree >> that I mean I mean that in and of itself is that's such mishandling. >> Yes. No it's mind-blowing. Um, so yeah, it's crazy.
## 02:15:02
**中文**
>> 好吧，上次你在这里谈论某些欺诈的程度时你非常不愿意，因为你想，他们可能会杀了我，因为这有点>>哦，什么？是的。我想说的是，嗯，如果你创造了，如果我喜欢务实和现实，嗯，你实际上无法做到零欺诈。您可以设法降低欺诈数量，但无法实现零欺诈。如果你能做到零欺诈，嗯，你，你，你就会把这么多接受欺诈性付款的人推向边缘，以至于入境杀人狂的数量将非常困难
**English / Original**
>> Well, you were very reluctant last time you were here to talk about the extent of some of the fraud because you're like, they could kill me because this is kind of >> Oh, what? Yeah. What I was saying is that um the like if you create if like uh I like like to be pragmatic and realistic um you actually can't manage to zero fraud. you can manage to low fraud number but not to zero fraud. If you manage to zero fraud, um you you you're going to push so many people over the edge who are receiving fraudulent payments that the number of inbound homicidal maniacs will be uh really hard
## 02:15:43
**中文**
去克服。所以我实际上采取了我认为相当合理的立场，即我们应该简单地减少欺诈数量，我认为这不是极端主义立场。嗯，我们应该致力于随着时间的推移减少欺诈行为。嗯，并不是说我们应该采取极端严厉的措施并消除每一个欺诈行为。嗯，我想这会很好，但我们甚至不需要走那么极端。我是说我们应该停止公然的大规模超级明显的欺诈行为。
**English / Original**
to overcome. So I I'm I'm actually taking I think quite a reasonable position which is that we should simply reduce the amount of fraud which I think is not an extremist position. Um, and we should aspire to, you know, have less fraud over time. Um, not that we should be ultra draconian and eliminate every last scrap of fraud. Um, which I guess would be nice to have, but but like we don't even need to go that extreme. I'm I'm saying we should just stop the blatant large scale super obvious fraud.
## 02:16:18
**中文**
>> 我认为这是一个合理的立场。 >> 这是一个非常合理的立场。是的。那么，当您开始实施 Doge 时，您遇到的最令人震惊的阻力是什么？你什么时候开始调查钱的去向？嗯，嗯，我想这是我应该预料到的，但是嗯，虽然大多数欺诈性政府付款，特别是向 NOS 支付的款项都流向了民主党，但为了论证起见，我不知道其中的大部分，我们可以说 80% 也许 90%。嗯，其中 10% 到 20% 确实归共和党所有。
**English / Original**
>> I think that's a reasonable position. >> It's a very reasonable position. Yeah. And so what was the most shocking push back that you got when you started implementing Doge? When you started investigating into where money was going? Well, um I guess it this was I should have anticipated this, but um while most of the fraudulent government payments to especially to the NOS's go to the Democrats, most of it like I don't know for argument sake let's say 80% maybe 90%. Um um 10 to 20% of it does go to Republicans.
## 02:16:59
**中文**
因此，当我们停止向欺诈性非政府组织提供资金时，我们会收到来自接受这笔钱的 10% 共和党人的投诉，他们会，你知道，他们会非常大声地抱怨。嗯，因为诚实的答案是，共和党人也部分受到了一些欺诈。他们得到了一个大>>耶稣。
**English / Original**
And so when we'd turn off funding to a fraudulent NGO, we'd get complaints from whatever the 10% of Republicans who were receiving uh the money and and they would, you know, they would very loudly complain. Um because the the honest answer is the Republicans are are partly they're receiving some of the fraud, too. They're getting a big >> Jesus.
## 02:17:28
**中文**
是的，我想澄清的是。这并不是说共和党是这里的某种超纯粹的美德典范。 >> 没有。>> 好的。嗯>>好吧，你可以通过国会内部培训看到这一点。这是全面的。 >> 是的。 >> 左边和右边。 >> 我的意思是，整个统一党的批评都有一定的道理。你知道，如果你关闭欺诈性付款，就不会像我说的那样，这些付款不会 100% 流向民主党。
**English / Original**
Yeah, it's I want to be clear. It's it's not like the Republican party is some um ultra pure paragon of virtue here. >> No. >> Okay. Um >> well, you see that with the congressional insider training. It's across the board. >> Yeah. >> It's left and right. >> I mean, the whole uni party criticism has some validity to it. you know, there's so um and it's it's like if you turn off fraudulent payments, it's not like like I say, it's not like 100% of those payments were going to Democrats.
## 02:17:58
**中文**
一小部分也流向了共和党。那些共和党人抱怨得很大声。嗯，嗯，你知道，那就是，当我们开始削减其中一些资金时，共和党方面有很多阻力，我试着告诉他们，你知道 90% 的钱都流向了你的对手，但他们仍然希望自己的和平，即使他们得到了 10% >>。
**English / Original**
A a small percentage were also going to Republicans. Those Republicans complained very loudly. Um and um you know and and that's that's so there was a lot of push back on the Republican side for when we started cutting some of these these funds and I tried telling them like well you know 90% of the money is going to your opponents but they still if they even if they're getting 10% of >> they want their peace.
## 02:18:28
**中文**
>> 是的。他们想要平静>>并且他们已经获得这种平静很长时间了。 >> 是的。你看到了吗>>这就是为什么你知道政治就像>>这是肮脏的事情。 >> 是的。我的意思是，这就像说，如果你知道，如果你喜欢香肠并尊重法律，就不要观看它们的制作过程[笑声]>>是的。哇。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. They want their peace >> and they've been getting that peace for a long time. >> Yes. Did you see >> this is why like you know politics is like >> it's dirty business. >> Yeah. I mean that's like saying if like you know if if you if you like sausages and respect the law do not watch either of them being being made [laughter] >> yeah. Wow.
## 02:18:55
**中文**
嗯，这甚至不是真的，因为我以前做过香肠。 >> 是的。是的。事实上，这似乎没什么大不了的。是的。脂肪、香料和肠衣，>>将其穿过机器。没什么大不了的。 >> 是的。嗯，但是呃，是的，我的意思是，我认为我在这里所说的内容并不像如果你退后一步想一想，哦，是的，这是有道理的，你知道。
**English / Original**
Well that's not even true because I've made sausage before. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's actually like it's not that big a deal. Yeah. fat and spices and casing, >> run it through the machine. Not that big a deal. >> Yeah. Um but uh yeah, I mean I I think the stuff I'm saying here is not uh like like if if you stand back and think about it for a second like oh yeah that that makes sense, you know.
## 02:19:17
**中文**
>> 嗯，这不像嗯，不像一个政党会成为嗯，你知道纯粹的魔鬼或纯粹的天使。你知道，我认为民主党方面存在更多腐败，但共和党方面仍然存在一些腐败。 >> 为什么大部分腐败行为最终都发生在民主党这边？
**English / Original**
>> Um the it's it's not like um it's not like one political party is going to be um you know pure devil or pure angel. There's, you know, I think there's there's there there's there's much more corruption on the Democrat side, but it's not there's not there's still some corruption on the Republican side. >> How did it happen that the majority of the corruption wound up being on the Democrat side?
## 02:19:42
**中文**
>> 嗯，因为转移支付，特别是对非法移民的转移支付，嗯，呃，很大程度上是在民主党这边。 >> 这就是一切的根源是非法情况。 >> 是的。我的意思是，有 >> 或焦点。 >> 是的。也可以准确地说，虽然显然不是每个民主党人都是罪犯，但几乎每个罪犯都是民主党人（笑声），因为民主党是软犯罪党。那么如果你是一个罪犯，你会投票给谁呢？
**English / Original**
>> Well, because the the the transfer payments, especially to illegals, um, uh, are very much on the Democrat side. >> That so that's the root of it all is the illegal situation. >> Yes. I mean, there's >> or a focal point. >> Yes. It's it's also like it's it's um it's it would also be accurate to say that while obviously not everyone who is a Democrat is a criminal, almost everyone who is a criminal is a Democrat [laughter] because because the Democrats are the soft crime party. So if you're a criminal, who you going to vote for?
## 02:20:18
**中文**
>> 对。正确的。 >> 软犯罪党。你是否认为你能够比现在完成更多的事情？ >> 嗯，我们确实完成了很多工作，>> 对吧？ >> 嗯，顺便说一句，Doge 仍在发生。嗯，总督还在进行中。 Doge 团队仍然在消除浪费和欺诈行为。所以，一直没有停止。嗯，>> 它的宣传较少。
**English / Original**
>> Right. Right. >> The soft crime party. Did you think you were going to be able to get more done than you were? >> Um, we did get a lot done, >> right? >> Um, and Doge is still still still happening, by the way. Um, this the the Doge is still underway. There are still there are still um there's still waste and fraud being being cut by by the Doge team. So, it hasn't stopped. Um, the >> it's less publicized.
## 02:20:46
**中文**
>> 宣传较少。嗯，他们不再有一个明确的人可以攻击了。 >> 嗯，看起来他们基本上是向我施加了巨大的压力，只是为了阻止它。所以我想对我来说最好的事情就是，你知道，摆脱这个。反正我作为一个特殊的政府雇员，反正也只能在那里待120天左右吧。所以无论法律怎么说。所以我我可以我我作为一名特殊的政府雇员，我只能在那里呆 4 个月。所以，嗯，但是嗯，是的，我的意思是，我的意思是你关闭了欺诈者的资金龙头，至少可以说他们会非常沮丧。嗯
**English / Original**
>> It's less publicized. Um, and they don't have like a clear person to attack anymore. >> Well, it seems like they basically they they applied immense pressure to me to just to stop it. So then I'm like the best thing for me is to just, you know, cut out of this. In any case, as a special government employee, I could only be there for like 120 days anyway, something like that. So whatever the law says. So I I could I I I was necessarily could only be there for 4 months uh as a special government employee. So, um um but uh yeah, I mean I mean you turn off the money spigot to to fraudsters, they get very upset to say the least. Um
## 02:21:27
**中文**
嗯，但是我的死亡威胁级别上升到了弹道，你知道，就像火箭进入轨道一样。嗯是的。嗯，但是现在现在我不在华盛顿了，我猜他们真的没有人可以攻击了呃。 >> 嗯，>> 好吧，关于你的言论已经明显平静下来。 >> 是的，>> 这令人不安。观看起来令人不安。这就像疯了一样。
**English / Original**
and um but my like my death threat level went uh ballistic, you know, was like a like a rocket going to orbit. Um yeah. Um, so but now that now now now that I'm not in DC that that that I guess they don't really have a person to attack uh anymore. >> Um, >> well the rhetoric about you has calmed down significantly. >> Yeah, >> it was disturbing. It was disturbing to watch. It was like this is crazy.
## 02:21:55
**中文**
>> 看着这些政客参与其中，所有这些人都喜欢将你陷害为这个怪物。我觉得这太奇怪了。当你发现欺诈行为时，就会发生这样的情况。 >> 是的。 >> 整个机器都在攻击你。如果不是像你这样拥有平台并拥有巨额资金的人，你可能会被毁掉。
**English / Original**
>> And to watch these politicians engage in it and all these people just like framing you as this monster. I was like this is so weird. Like this is what happens when you uncover fraud. >> Yes. >> The whole machine turns on you. And if it wasn't for a person like you who owns a platform and has an enormous amount of money, like could have destroyed you.
## 02:22:14
**中文**
>> 是的。 >> 这就是目标。 >> 目标是摧毁我。绝对地。 >> 因为你妨碍了>>这个惊人的移植。 >> 这个巨大的欺诈机器。 >> 是的。 >> 嗯，我认为 Doge 团队做了很多出色的工作。嗯，你知道，就预防欺诈和浪费而言，我的猜测是，你知道，每年可能有两到三千亿的数量级。所以，这还不错。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. >> And that was the goal. >> The goal was to destroy me. Absolutely. >> Because you were getting in the way >> of this amazing graft. >> The the this gigantic fraud machine. >> Yeah. >> Um like I think I think Doge team's on done a lot of good work. Um, you know, and in in terms of uh fraud and waste prevented, my guess is it's, you know, probably on the order of two or 300 billion a year. So, it's pretty good.
## 02:22:42
**中文**
>> 您认为如果您完全掌控并全面合作，可以做些什么？您认为您可以节省多少钱？ >> 我的意思是，我们假设的权力水平是多少？ >> 神一样的。 >> 哦，是的。我可能会将联邦预算削减一半并完成更多工作。那太疯狂了。完成更多工作和扩大联邦预算真是太疯狂了。就是这么普遍。
**English / Original**
>> What do you think could have been done if you just had like full reign and total cooperation? How much do you think you could have saved? >> I mean, what level of of power are we assuming here? >> Godlike. >> Oh, yeah. I probably cut the federal budget in half and get more done. That is so crazy. It is so crazy that get more done and federal budget widespread. It's that widespread.
## 02:23:09
**中文**
>> 嗯，我的意思是，在我看来，一大堆政府部门根本不应该存在。嗯，他们，嗯，你知道，嗯>>像例子>>嗯，教育部是最近在吉米·卡特的领导下创建的，嗯嗯，自从创建以来，我们的教育成果就一直在走下坡路。因此，如果你创建一个部门，而创建该部门的结果是教育成果大幅下降，而且它是教育部门，那么你最好不要拥有它，因为我们实际上在有这个部门之前比在你让各州管理它之后做得更好。
**English / Original**
>> Well, I mean a whole bunch of government departments simply shouldn't exist in my opinion. um they they um you know um >> like examples >> well the department of ed department of education which was created uh recently like under Jimmy Carter um uh the our educational results have uh gone uh downhill ever since it was created. So if you if you create a department and the result of creating that department is a massive decline in educational results and it's department of education, you're better off not having it because we're literally we were did better before there was one than after >> when you let the states run it.
## 02:23:47
**中文**
>> 是的。 >> 是的。 >> 因为至少各州可以相互竞争。嗯，但是问题就在这里，就像削减部门教育一样。我们的孩子需要教育。是的，他们确实这么做了。但这是一个新部门，直到 70 年代末才存在。嗯，自从该部门成立以来，教育成果一直在下降。
**English / Original**
>> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Because at least the states can compete with one another. Um so but the problem is like here like cutting department education. our kids need education. Yeah, they do. But but this is a new department that didn't even exist um you know until late the late 70s. Um and ever since that department was created, the results educational results have declined.
## 02:24:13
**中文**
那么，为什么要让一个让教育变得更糟的机构继续存在呢？这没有道理。 >> 但他们还是杀了它，对吧？不，不幸的是>>但他们试图杀死它。 >> 已大幅减少。 >> 好的。 >> 嗯>> 还有什么其他组织什么其他部门？ >> 嗯，我的意思是我是一个小政府人员。
**English / Original**
And so why would you have an institution continue that has made education worse? It doesn't make sense. >> They killed it though, right? No, there still unfortunately >> but they were trying to kill it. >> It has been substantially reduced. >> Okay. >> Um >> what other organizations what other departments? >> Well, I mean I'm a small government guy.
## 02:24:35
**中文**
所以，嗯，你知道，当你知道国家成立的时候，我们只有国务院、战争部，嗯，你知道，还有司法部之类的。我们有一位司法部长呃和财政部。嗯，我不知道为什么你需要更多。 >> 那么您认为还有哪些部门是完全无效的？
**English / Original**
So um you know when when the you know when the country was created we just we we just had the department of state, department of war um you know and and uh sort of the sort of the department of justice. We had an attorney general uh and Treasury Department. Um I don't know why you need more than that. >> So what other departments specifically do you think are just completely ineffective?
## 02:25:05
**中文**
>> 嗯，我的意思是这就像一个问题。这是一个哲学问题：你认为应该有多少政府？ >> 对。 >> 嗯，在我看来，政府应该是最少的。我听过最奇怪的反对意见是，你正在裁员，你会让人们失业。我想，但他们的工作毫无用处。
**English / Original**
>> Well, I mean here it's like a question. It's a sort of philosophical question of how much government do you think there should be? >> Right. >> Um in my opinion, there should be uh the least amount of government. I've heard the most bizarre argument against this is that you're cutting jobs and you're gonna leave people jobless. And I'm like, but their jobs are useless.
## 02:25:26
**中文**
>> 是的。付钱让人们无所事事是没有意义的。嗯，就像有一个关于米尔顿·弗里德曼（Milton Friedman）的故事，他很棒。嗯，就像米尔顿·弗里德曼所说的那样，你知道人们应该做那件事。呃，我不确定这是否是杜撰的，但是嗯，就像有人向他抱怨，就像他观察到的那样，我认为人们会用嗯，你知道用嗯铲子挖沟渠，他说得很好，就像据称弗里曼说的那样，“好吧，我认为我认为你应该使用你知道的挖掘设备而不是铲子，你
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Paying people to do nothing doesn't make sense. Um like there's a like a a great um a story about like Milton Friedman who is awesome. Um uh what like generally whatever Milton Friedman said is you know people should should do that thing. Uh I'm not sure if it's apocryphal or not, but um like like someone complained to him like he he he observed I think people that were like um digging ditches with uh you know with with um shovels and um and he said well like allegedly Freeman said, "Well, I think I think you should use you know um excavating equipment instead of shovels and you
## 02:26:08
**中文**
可以用更少的人完成这件事。” 然后有人说，“但是我们会失去很多工作。” 那么，自由说，“好吧，既然如此，你为什么不让他们使用茶匙呢？” [笑声] 只是用茶匙挖沟渠。想想你将创造的所有就业机会。 >> 我的意思是，[笑声] 这是 [ __ ] 基本上，你只是希望人们从事那些你希望人们致力于构建你知道的东西，提供人们认为有价值的产品和服务，就像你知道制作食物一样。
**English / Original**
could get it done with far fewer people." And then and then someone said, "But then we're going to lose a lot of jobs." Well, in that then Freedom says, "Well, in that case, why don't you have them use teaspoons?" [laughter] Just just dig ditches with teaspoons. Think of all the jobs you'll create. >> I mean, [laughter] it's [ __ ] Basically, you just want people to work on on things that are that are productive. You want people to work on on building things um on building you know uh providing products and services that people find valuable um like you know making food um being
## 02:26:48
**中文**
您知道自己是农民、水管工、电工或任何建筑商或提供有用服务的人。嗯，嗯，这就是你希望人们做的事情。嗯，这不是假政府工作，不会增加任何价值或可能会减少价值。嗯嗯，还有像你知道的那样来说明经济是如何衡量的，就像经济学家衡量经济的方式一样，这是荒谬的，因为他们会衡量任何工作，即使这项工作是愚蠢的工作，没有意义，甚至适得其反。就像这个笑话就像有两个经济学家去树林里徒步旅行
**English / Original**
you know being a farmer or a plumber or electrician or just anyone who's a builder or providing useful services. Um and um that's what you want people to be doing. um not fake government jobs uh that that that don't add any value or may subtract value. Um um there's also like you know uh to illustrate the absurdity of also how is the e how is the economy measured like the the way economists measure the economy is is is nonsensical uh because they'll measure any job no matter even if that job is a dumb job that has no point and is even counterproductive. So like, so the like the joke is like there's two economists going on a hike in the woods
## 02:27:33
**中文**
[笑声]他们遇到了一堆[__]，一位经济学家对另一位经济学家说，“我付给你 100 美元让你吃那些[笑声]狗屎。”经济学家吃了 [__] 得到 100 美元。他们继续前行。然后另一个经济学家又遇到了一堆[__]，另一个经济学家说：“现在我付你 100 美元来吃掉这堆狗屎。”
**English / Original**
and [laughter] they come across a pile of [ __ ] and one economist says to the other, "I'll pay you $100 to eat eat that [laughter] shit." The economist eats the [ __ ] gets the $100. They they keep walking. Then the other econ then come across another pile of [ __ ] And and the the other economist says, "Now I'll pay you $100 to eat the pile of shit."
## 02:27:54
**中文**
>> [笑声] >> 说付钱给另一个经济学家 100 美元一堆 [ __ ] 然后他们然后然后然后他们说，等一下，嗯，我们都吃了一堆 [ __ ]，我们不，我们没有更多的钱，就像我们你们刚刚把 100 美元还给我，我们都吃了一堆 [ __ ] 这不有任何意义。他们说，“不，不，但想想经济，因为经济中的 200 美元基本上[笑]衡量吃吃[__]将被视为一份工作。
**English / Original**
>> [laughter] >> say pays the so pays the other economist $100 pile of [ __ ] Then they then then then the way said they said like wait a second um we both just ate a pile of [ __ ] and we're no and and and and we're we're no we we we we don't have any more extra money like like we both you just gave the $100 back to me and we both ate a pile of [ __ ] This doesn't make any sense. And they said, "No, no, but think of the economy because that's $200 of that in the economy that that basically [laughter] measure eating eating [ __ ] would count as a as as a as a job.
## 02:28:33
**中文**
[笑]这就是这就是这就是为了说明经济学的荒谬性。 >> 当[笑声]事情不应该算作工作时，你说的一件事。”当你离开时，你说的一件事是，你已经完成了，而且它是无法修复的。嗯，很好，或者在人们接近它的当前形式下，你可以让它方向更好，但最终你不能呃完全修复系统。嗯，所以，呃，我喜欢喜欢它
**English / Original**
[laughter] This is this is this is to illustrate the absurdity of of of economics. >> One of the things you said when [laughter] things should not count as a job." One of the things you said when you stepped away is that you're kind of done and that it's unfixable. That um well or under its current form the way people are approaching it you can you can make it directionally better but ultimately you can't uh fully fix the system. Um, so, uh, I I I like like like like it it
## 02:29:15
**中文**
准确地说，除非你能像你知道的冈加斯汗那样采取超级严厉的措施，继续减少浪费和欺诈，而在一个民主国家，一个渴望民主的国家，你无法真正做到这一点，那么就没有办法解决债务危机。因此，我们的国家债务简直是疯狂的，债务支付和债务利息支付超过了我们的整个军事预算。
**English / Original**
it is it is it would be accurate to say that even like like unless you could go like super draconian like you know Gangghaskhan level on on on cutting waste waste and fraud which you can't really do in a democratic country um an aspirationally democratic country then um there's no way to solve the the the debt crisis. So, we got we got national debt that's just insane where the debt payments the interest payments on the debt exceed our entire military budget.
## 02:29:47
**中文**
我的意思是，这是对我的警钟之一。我当时想，“等一下。国家债务的利息比整个军事预算还要大，而且还在增长。嗯，这太疯狂了。嗯，所以，所以，即使你实施了所有这些储蓄，你也只是推迟了美国破产的清算日。所以，除非你全力以赴，嗯，你真的做不到。所以嗯，所以我得出的结论是，
**English / Original**
I mean, that's one that was one of the wakeup calls for me. I was like, "Wait a second. The interest on a national debt is bigger than the entire the entire military budget um and growing. Um this is crazy. Um so um so so even if you implement all these savings, you're only delaying the day of reckoning for when America becomes goes bankrupt. So unless you go full Genghaskhan, um which you can't really do. So um so I came to the conclusion that the
## 02:30:27
**中文**
让我们摆脱债务危机并防止美国破产的唯一方法是人工智能和机器人技术。因此，就像我们需要以一定的速度发展经济一样，让我们能够还清债务。嗯，嗯，我想人们普遍不认识到政府超支是一个问题的程度。嗯，但就像社会保障网站一样，这也是拜登政府管辖的。
**English / Original**
only way that the only way to get us out of the debt crisis and to prevent America from going bankrupt is AI and robotics. So, like we need to grow the economy um at at a at a at a rate that allows us to u to pay off our debt. Um and um I I I guess people just generally don't appreciate the degree to which um you know this the the government overspending is is a problem. Um but even like the social security website, this is under the Biden administration.
## 02:31:06
**中文**
在网站上，它会说，呃，我们基于当前的人口趋势，嗯，你，以及，社会保障带来了多少钱，以及有多少社会保障受益人，因为我们人口老龄化。相对而言，平均年龄正在增加。我认为到 2032 年，社会保障将无法维持全额付款。好的。因此，他们将不得不停止社会保障，并开始减少大约七年内支付给人们的金额。
**English / Original**
On the website, it would say like uh we based on on current demographic trends and um you and and and how much money social security is bringing in versus how many social security recipients there are because we have an aging population. Relatively speaking, the average age is is increasing. Social Security will not be able to ma u maintain its full payments u I think in by 2032 there. Okay. So they will social security will have to stop will start reducing the the amount of money that that's been paid people um in in about seven years.
## 02:31:38
**中文**
>> 因此，解决机器人制造提高 GDP 的唯一方法 >> 你必须基本上，呃，大规模增加呃，经济产出，而做到这一点的唯一方法就是人工智能和机器人技术。所以，基本上，如果没有人工智能和机器人技术，我们就会破产，即使有很多储蓄，嗯[哼]储蓄，比如减少呃浪费和前进，可以给我们带来更长的跑道，但它最终无法偿还我们的国家债务。
**English / Original**
>> And so the only way to fix that robotics manufacturing raise GDP >> you've got to basically uh massively increase the um uh economic output which is and the only way to do that is AI AI and robotics. So, so basically we're going bankrupt without AI and robotics with even with a bunch of savings um [snorts] the savings the savings like reducing uh waste and forward can give us a longer runway but it cannot ultimately pay off our national debt.
## 02:32:10
**中文**
>> 那么您认为解决因人工智能和机器人技术而导致失业的方法是什么？由于自动化而产生的工作不再需要人类来做这些工作，因为人工智能正在做这些工作。您认为这会成为某种全民基本收入吗？您是否认为由于很多人将失业，因此必须实施其他类型的解决方案，对吗？
**English / Original**
>> So what do you think the solution is to the jobs that are going to be lost because of AI and robotics? The jobs due to automation the jobs due to no longer do we need human beings to do these jobs because AI is doing them. Do you think it's going to be some sort of a universal basic income thing? Do you think there's going to be some other kind of solution that has to be implemented because a lot of people are going to be out of work, right?
## 02:32:38
**中文**
嗯，我认为实际上对工作的需求会很高，但不一定是相同的工作。所以我的意思是，这实际上是整个现代历史中一直在发生的过程。嗯，我的意思是，过去就像用铅笔和纸手动进行计算一样。这曾经是一份工作。因此，他们曾经拥有像建筑物一样的建筑物，里面挤满了称为计算机的人，银行希望您整天所做的就是嗯，您进行计算，因为他们没有计算机。他们没有，他们没有数字，没有数字计算机，人们>>是的。好吧，这只是人们会
**English / Original**
Um I think there will be um actually a high demand for jobs but not necessarily the same jobs. So I mean this is actually this process has been happening um throughout um modern history. Um I mean there used to be like like doing calculations um ma manually with with like a pencil and paper. It used to be a job. So they used to have like buildings full of people called computers where the the banks would like all you do all day is is is um you do calculations because they didn't have computers. They didn't they didn't have digital didn't have digital computers that that people >> Yeah. Well, it was just people would
## 02:33:21
**中文**
就像在纸上添加和减去东西一样，这就是银行如何了解财务处理>>并且您必须逐字检查他们的方程式以确保账簿平衡。 >> 是的。大多数时候，这只是简单的数学，就像您知道在计算机出现之前的世界中一样，您如何计算您如何进行交易？你必须手工完成它们。
**English / Original**
just like add and subtract stuff on piece of paper and and and that that would be how banks would do you know financial processing >> and you'd have to literally go over their equations to make sure the books are balanced. >> Yeah. And most times it's just simple math like you know the like in a world before computers how did you calculate how did you you do transactions? You had to do them by hand.
## 02:33:42
**中文**
嗯，所以当计算机被引入时，做嗯的工作，你知道银行计算不再存在。嗯，所以人们不得不去做别的事情。嗯，这就是即将发生的事情，这就是由于人工智能和机器人技术而加速发生的事情。但这就是问题所在，对吧？加速率因为它将是>>它是加速器。就是这样，它才刚刚发生。就像我说的，人工智能就像超音速海啸。
**English / Original**
Um so then when computers were introduced the job of doing um you know bank calculations no longer existed. Um so people had to go do something else. Um and that's what's going to happen that what's that's what is happening at an accelerated rate um due to AI and and then robotics. That's the issue though, right? The accelerated rate because it's going to be >> it's the accelerator. It's it's it's just happening. Like I said, like AI is the supersonic tsunami.
## 02:34:12
**中文**
>> 这就是我所说的，超音速海啸。嗯，所以>>就像还有哪些工作因为人工智能而现在无法提供？ >> 嗯，人工智能嗯确实仍然是数字化的。最终，人工智能可以提高人类的生产力，这些人用手建造东西，或者像李子一样用手做事，你知道，字面意义上的焊接、电气工作、管道工程，以及任何物理移动原子的东西。嗯喜欢做饭或者嗯你知道农业或者喜欢任何东西
**English / Original**
>> So that's what I call it, supersonic tsunami. Um so >> it's like what other jobs will be available that aren't available now because of AI? >> Um well AI um will is is really still digital. Ultimately, um AI can improve the productivity of of humans who who um build things with their hands or do things with their hands like plum, you know, literally welding, electrical work, plumbing, anything that's that's [snorts] physically moving atoms. Um like cooking food or um you know farming or or like like anything
## 02:34:54
**中文**
那是身体上的呃，这些工作将存在更长的时间。但是任何数字化的东西，就像有人在计算机上做某事一样，人工智能将接管这些工作，比如闪电、>>编码，任何类似的事情。是的，[哼哼]>>它将像闪电一样接管这些工作。嗯，就像数字计算机接管了人们进行手动计算的工作，但速度更快。
**English / Original**
that's that's physical uh those jobs will exist for a much longer time. But anything that is digital uh which is like just someone at a computer doing something, AI is going to take over those jobs like lightning, >> coding, anything along those lines. Yeah, [snorts] >> it's going to take over those jobs like lightning. Um just like it just like digital computers took over the job of people doing manual calculations but but much faster.
## 02:35:24
**中文**
>> 那么这些人后来怎么样了？就像我们在谈论什么样的数字？你会失去大部分司机，对吗？商业司机。你将拥有自动驾驶车辆、人工智能控制系统，就像呃中国的某些港口，我想在新加坡，一切都是完全自动化的。
**English / Original**
>> So what happens to all those people? Like what kind of numbers are we talking about? you're going to lose most drivers, right? Commercial drivers. You're going to have automated vehicles, AI controlled systems, just like uh there's certain ports in China, I think in Singapore, where everything's completely automated.
## 02:35:40
**中文**
>> 是的。大多。是的。是的。 >> 是的。所以，你将会失去很多工作。长岸工工作、卡车运输、商业司机。 >> 是的。是的。我的意思是，我们实际上确实缺少卡车司机，但是实际上有嗯>>嗯，这就是为什么加州雇佣了这么多非法移民来做这件事。你看到那些数字了吗？
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Mostly. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, you're going to lose a lot of those jobs. Long shoreman jobs, trucking, commercial drivers. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we actually do have a shortage of of truck drivers, but there's there's actually um >> Well, that's why California has hired so many illegals to do it. Have you seen those numbers?
## 02:35:59
**中文**
>> 是的。嗯，我的意思是，问题就像当人们不知道如何驾驶半挂卡车时，这实际上是一件很难做到的事情，然后他们就会撞车并杀死人。 >> 是的。 >> 嗯，我的一个朋友的妻子被非法驾驶卡车撞死，而她当时刚刚出去骑自行车。嗯，呃，有一个非法移民，他不知道如何驾驶卡车之类的。我的意思是，他跑了，把她撞倒了。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Um I mean, the problem is like when you when people don't know how to drive a semi-truck, which is actually a hard thing to do, then they they crash and kill people. >> Yeah. >> Um a friend of mine's wife was killed by an an illegal driving a truck and she was just out biking. Um and uh there was an illegal he didn't know how to drive the truck or so or something. I mean and he he ran ran her over.
## 02:36:25
**中文**
嗯，所以我的意思是，对于像你这样的人来说，你不能，你不能让人们开车，呃，你知道，如果他们不知道怎么做，那就是 80,000 磅半的嗯。但在加利福尼亚州，他们只是让人们这样做>>因为他们需要人们这样做。 >> 嗯，他们还需要选票之类的东西。但是嗯但是但是是的，就像汽车一样，汽车将是自动驾驶的。嗯，但是有太多的办公桌工作，人们真正在做的就是处理电子邮件或者接听电话。嗯，而且只是
**English / Original**
Um so I mean like thing is like for something like you you can't you can't let people drive uh you know sort of an 80,000lb semi um if if they don't know how to do it. But in California, they're just letting people do it >> because they need people to do it. >> Well, they also need they want the votes and that kind of thing. But um but but yeah, like cars are um cars are going to be autonomous. Um, but there there's just so many desk desk jobs where where really people what people are doing is they're processing email um or they're answering the phone. Um, and and just
## 02:37:06
**中文**
任何不移动原子的东西，就像任何非物理的东西，比如做体力工作，显然这些工作将首先被人工智能快速消除。嗯，最终我的工作将是可选的，因为你将拥有机器人加上人工智能，嗯，我们将在良性的情况下拥有普遍高收入，而不仅仅是普遍基本收入普遍高收入，这意味着任何人都可以拥有他们想要的任何产品或服务。
**English / Original**
anything that is that that isn't moving atoms like anything that is not physically like doing physical work that will obviously be the first thing those jobs will be and are being eliminated by by AI at a very rapid pace. Um um and ultimately I working will be optional uh because you'll have robots plus AI um and we'll have in a benign scenario universal high income not just universal basic income universal high income meaning anyone can have any products or services that they want.
## 02:37:46
**中文**
所以你>>但是一路上会有很多创伤和破坏。 >> 因此，您预计经济将由此获得基本收入，从而达到几乎每个人都能获得高收入的程度。因此，在良性的情况下，我们基本上可以消除贫困>>嗯。是的。就像 >> 一样，有多种场景。
**English / Original**
So you >> but but there will be a lot of trauma and disruption along the way. >> So you anticipate a basic income from that that the economy will boost to such an extent that a high income would be available to almost everybody. So we'd essentially eliminate poverty >> um in the benign scenario. Yes. So like the way >> there's multiple scenarios.
## 02:38:11
**中文**
>> 有多种场景。这部电影有很多种结束方式。嗯，就像我如此担心人工智能安全的原因一样，其中一种可能性就是终结者场景。不是，不是0%。嗯，所以嗯，这就是为什么我觉得人工智能需要最大限度地寻求真相。就像不要让我不强迫人工智能相信这样的谎言，例如，开国元勋实际上是一群不同的女性，或者性别歧视比核战争更糟糕，因为如果是这样的话，然后你得到机器人，人工智能变得无所不能，它可以强制执行这个结果
**English / Original**
>> There are multiple scenarios. There's a lot of ways this movie can end. Um, like the reason I'm so concerned about AI safety is that like one of the possibilities is the Terminator scenario. It's not it's not 0%. Um, so um, that's why it's like I'm like really banging the drum on AI needs to be maximally truth seeeking. like don't make I don't force AI to believe a lie like that the for example the founding fathers were actually a group of diverse women or that misgendering is worse than nuclear war because you if if that's the case and then you get the robots and the AI becomes omnipotent it can enforce that outcome
## 02:38:55
**中文**
然后[清嗓子]然后就像除非你是一个多元化的女人否则你就被排除在外了所以我们是我们干杯所以那就是>>[哼哼]>>嗯或者你可能会醒来作为一个多元化的女人[笑声]有一天调整了图片，我们现在>>每个人都是一个多元化的女人。所以这将是最糟糕的情况。那么，为了实施全民高收入的良性解决方案，我们必须采取哪些步骤，就像最好的情况一样，这是实现全民高收入的道路
**English / Original**
and then [clears throat] then like unless you're a diverse woman you're you're out of the picture so we're we're toast So that's >> [snorts] >> um or you might wake up as a diverse woman [laughter] one day has adjusted the picture and and we are now >> everyone's a diverse woman. So that would be that's the the worst possible situation. So what would be the steps that we would have to take in order to implement the benign solution where it's universal high income like best case scenario this is the path forward to universal high income for
## 02:39:34
**中文**
基本上每个公民都认为，人工智能和机器人技术推动了经济发展，以至于没有人再工作了，这对那些人来说意味着什么，这真的很奇怪。 >> 是的。 >> 我不知道如何回答关于意义的问题。嗯>>这是个人问题，对吧？但这将成为数百万人的个人问题。
**English / Original**
essentially every single citizen that the the economy gets boosted by AI and robotics to such an extent that no one ever has to work again and what about meaning for those people which is which gets really weird. >> Yeah. >> I don't know how to answer the question about meaning. Um >> that's an individual problem, right? But it's going to be an individual problem for millions of people.
## 02:40:02
**中文**
>> 是的。嗯，我的意思是，我想我喜欢反对说，你知道，我你知道，我一直是一个声音，说，“嘿，我们需要放慢人工智能的速度。我们需要放慢所有这些事情的速度。嗯，我们需要，你知道，不要没有一场疯狂的人工智能竞赛。我已经这么说了很长一段时间了，20 20多年了。嗯，但后来我，你知道，我开始意识到，嗯，这里确实有两个选择，要么是旁观者，要么是参与者。如果我是旁观者，我就无法真正影响人工智能的方向。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Well, I I mean I I I guess I've like for fought against saying like, you know, I you know, I've been I've been a voice saying like, "Hey, we need to slow down AI. we need to slow down all these things. Um, and and we need to, you know, not not have a crazy AI race. I've been saying that for a long time, for 20 20 plus years. Um, but but then I, you know, I came to realize that, um, really there's two choices here. Either be a spectator or a or a participant. And if I'm a, if I'm a spectator, I can't really influence the direction of AI.
## 02:40:40
**中文**
但如果我是参与者，我可以尝试影响人工智能的方向，并拥有一个最大限度追求真理的人工智能，具有热爱人类的良好价值观。这就是我们在 XAI 与 Grok 一起努力创造的目标。嗯，你知道，我认为这项研究证实了这一点。就像我说的，当他们进行比较时，人工智能如何评估人类生命的重量？乌姆·Grok是唯一一个对人类生命同等重视的 AI。
**English / Original**
But if I'm a participant, I can try to influence the direction of AI and have a maximally truth seeeking AI with with good values that uh loves humanity. And that's what we're trying to create with Grock at XAI. And um you know, the research is I think bearing this out. Like I said, the when they when they compared like how do AIs value the weight of a human life? Um Grock was the only one the only one of the AIS that weighted human life equally.
## 02:41:08
**中文**
嗯，没有，也没有说，一个白人的呃价值相当于一个黑人女性生命的 120 分之一。从字面上看，这就是他们计算得出的结果。 >> 所以，我想，这就是我想，这非常令人震惊。我们应该注意这些东西。 >> 所以，这是为了达到这个良性解决方案而必须发生的事情之一。
**English / Original**
um and and didn't and didn't say like a white guy's uh worth 120th of a of a of a a black woman's life. Literally, that's what they they calculation they came up with. >> So, I'm like, this is I'm like, this is very alarming. We should we got to watch this stuff. >> So, this is one of the things that has to happen in order to reach this benign solution.
## 02:41:30
**中文**
>> 是的。我们我们我们我我只是保留>>最佳电影结局。是的。嗯，你想要一个好奇的寻求真相的人工智能。嗯，我认为一个好奇的、寻求真相的人工智能会想要培育人类。呃，因为我们比一堆石头更有趣。就像你说的，就像我一样，我爱火星，你知道，但是火星有点无聊。就像一堆红色的岩石一样。嗯，它做了一些很酷的事情。那里有一座高山。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. We we we I I just keep >> Best movie ending. Yeah. Um, you you want a a curious truth seeeking AI. Um, and I think a curious truth seeeking AI will want to foster humanity. Uh, because we're much more interesting than um a bunch of rocks. Like you say, like like I I love Mars, you know, but but Mars is kind of boring. Like it's just a bunch of red rocks. Um, it does some cool stuff. It's got a tall mountain.
## 02:42:00
**中文**
你知道，它有最大的峡谷和最高的山。嗯，但是没有，没有，没有动物或植物，或者没有人。嗯，呃，你知道，所以如果你是一个好奇的寻求真相的人工智能，那么人类比非人类更有趣。这更有趣。嗯，我的意思是，就像人类一样，我们可以消灭所有黑猩猩。如果我们说，如果我们下定决心，我们可以说我们可以出去，我们可以消灭所有黑猩猩和所有大猩猩，但我们没有。嗯，他们的环境受到了侵犯，但我们实际上
**English / Original**
It's got, you know, it's got the biggest re the biggest ravine and the tallest mountain. Um, but there's no there's no there's no animals or plants or and and there's no people. Um, and uh, you know, so humanity is just much more interesting if you're a curious truth seeeking AI than not humanity. It's just much more interesting. Um, I mean like as as humans, we could go for example and and eliminate all chimps. If we said if we put our minds to it, we could say we could go out and we could annihilate all chimps and all gorillas, but but we don't. Um there has been encroachment on their environment, but we we actually
## 02:42:41
**中文**
努力保护呃呃呃黑猩猩和大猩猩的栖息地。嗯，嗯，我认为在一个好的情况下，呃人工智能会对人类做同样的事情。它实际上会促进呃人类文明，关心人类幸福。所以这就是我认为要努力实现的目标。嗯，>> 但是如果让 Grok 与OpenAI 竞争，与所有这些不同的东西竞争，情况会是什么样子，比如它是如何工作的？就像如果你有人工智能被捕获了怎么办？
**English / Original**
try to preserve uh the the uh chimp and gorilla habitats. Um and um and I think in a good scenario, uh AI would do the same with with humans. it would actually foster uh human civilization and care about human happiness. So this is um this is the thing to to try to achieve I think. Um, >> but what is the what does the landscape look like if you have Grock competing with Open AI, competing with all these different like how does it work? Like what what if you have AIs that have been captured by
## 02:43:23
**中文**
与Grok并肩竞争的意识形态？就像我们如何做到这一点，这就是为什么您觉得不仅成为观察者而且参与其中很重要，然后让 Grok 比其他应用程序更成功、更有效的原因之一。是的，只要有至少一个人工智能最大限度地追求真理、好奇，嗯，你知道，例如，权衡你所知道的一切，人类生活平等，嗯，不偏向某一种族或性别，然后，然后，人们就能够看看，你知道，Grok 在 XAI 并进行比较，然后说，
**English / Original**
ideologies that are side by side competing with Grock? like how do we so this is one of the reasons why you felt like it's important to not just be a an observer but participate and then have Grock be more successful and more potent than these other applications. Yes, as long as there's at least one AI that is maximally truth seeeking, curious, and um you know, and for example, weighs all you know, human lives equally um does not favor one race or gender, then um then then that that that and and people are able to look at look at, you know, Grock at XAI and compare that and say,
## 02:44:06
**中文**
“等一下，为什么所有这些其他人工智能基本上都是性别歧视和种族主义？”嗯嗯，然后，这给其他AI带来了一些尴尬，然后他们他们他们修复了他们，你知道他们他们改进了，他们往往会以同样的方式改进，就像嗯收购Twitter并允许说出真相而不是压制真相嗯迫使其他社交媒体公司变得更加诚实嗯以同样的方式让嗯Grok成为一个最大程度地寻求真理，好奇的人工智能是
**English / Original**
"Wait a second, why are all these other AIs uh being basically sexist and racist?" Um um and uh then then that that causes some embarrassment for the the other AIS and then they they they they fix they you know they they improve they tend to improve just in the in the same way that um acquiring Twitter and allowing the truth to be told and and not suppressing the truth um forced the other social media companies to be more truthful um by in in the same way having um Gro be a maximally truth seeeking, curious AI is
## 02:44:45
**中文**
将迫使其他人工智能公司也变得更加求真和公平。 >> 最有趣的是，尽管社会主义者和马克思主义者反对你的很多想法，但如果这得到实施，你真的可以实现普遍高收入，那就是有史以来最伟大的社会主义解决方案。就像字面上没有人需要工作一样。呃正确。嗯，就像我说的那样，这里有一个良性的场景，我认为只要我们实现可持续富足，人们可能会感到高兴。
**English / Original**
will force the other AI companies to um be also be more truth seeeking and fair. >> And the funniest thing is even though like the socialists and the Marxists are in opposition to a lot of your ideas, but if this gets implemented and you really can achieve universal high income, that's the greatest socialist solution of all time. Like literally no one will have to work. Uh correct. Um like I said so so there is a benign scenario here which I think probably people will be happy with if if as long as we we achieve it which is sustainable abundance.
## 02:45:23
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嗯，如果，如果，如果，如果每个人都可以拥有一切喜欢，如果你问人们你想要的未来是什么>>嗯，呃，我认为未来我们没有像你一样破坏自然，我们仍然可以拥有国家公园，我们还有亚马逊雨林，我们还没有铺好，我们还没有铺好，雨林就像自然美景仍然存在，但人们仍然拥有丰富的资源，每个人都有良好的医疗保健。每个人都有他们想要的任何商品和服务。
**English / Original**
um which is if if um if everyone can have every like like like if if you ask people like what's the future that you want >> um and uh I think a future where we haven't destroyed nature like you can still we have the national parks we have the the Amazon rainforest still still there we haven't paved we haven't paved the paved the rainforest like the natural beauty is still there but but people have nonetheless everyone has abundance everyone has excellent medical care. Everyone has whatever goods and services they want.
## 02:45:55
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>> 我们只是>> 这听起来像是天堂。 >> 听起来就像是理想的社会主义乌托邦。考虑到正在发挥作用的技术类型，这种认为你唯一应该用时间做的事情就是工作来支付账单和养活自己的想法听起来有点过时。 >> 是的。 >> 就像一个不再是你关心的世界。每个人都有钱吃饭。每个人都有丰富的东西。
**English / Original**
>> And we just >> It kind of sounds like heaven. >> It sounds like it is like the ideal socialist utopia. And this idea that the only thing you should be doing with your time is working in order to pay your bills and feed yourself sounds kind of archaic considering the kind of technology that's at play. >> Yeah. >> Like a world where that's not your concern at all anymore. Everybody has money for food. Everybody has abundance.
## 02:46:23
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每个人家里都有电子产品。每个人基本上都有高收入。现在你可以做任何你想做的事了。现在，您可以探索自己的兴趣，做自己真正喜欢做的事情。你的目的只需要改变。相反，你知道，我是一个勤奋的人，这就是我所做的，这就是我如何定义自己。
**English / Original**
Everybody has electronics in their home. Everybody essentially has a high income. Now you can kind of do whatever you want. And your day can now be exploring your interests doing things that you actually enjoy doing. Your purpose just has to shift. Instead of, you know, I'm a hard worker and this is what I do and that's how I that's how I define myself.
## 02:46:47
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不。现在你可以[__]打一整天的高尔夫球，你知道吗？无论你喜欢做什么，现在都可以成为你的主要追求。 >> 是的。 >> 嗯，这听起来棒极了。 >> 是的，这就是我们应该看到的良性场景。 >> 电影最好的结局其实还不错。 >> 是的。嗯，我认为仍然存在这样一个意义问题：确保人们不会失去你所知道的意义，所以希望他们能够以不是从他们的工作中衍生出来的方式找到意义>>以及你知道的事情的目的，找到你喜欢做的事情，但有很多人
**English / Original**
No. Now you can [ __ ] golf all day, you know? You can whatever it is that you enjoy doing can now be your main pursuit. >> Yeah. >> Well, that sounds crazy good. >> Yeah, that's that's that's the benign scenario that we should be. >> The best ending to the movie is actually pretty good. >> Yes. um like I think there's there is still this question of meaning um of like making sure people don't uh lose meaning you know like um so hopefully they can find meaning in ways that are not that that's not derived from their work >> and purpose purpose for things that you you know find things that you do that you enjoy but there's a lot of people
## 02:47:30
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他们是独立富有的人，他们把大部分时间花在做自己喜欢的事情>>对>>，这可能是大多数人>>几乎每个人。 >> 但我们必须重新调整人们的生活方式。 >> 嗯。 >> 这似乎是可以接受的，因为你并没有要求他们被奴役。你问的恰恰相反。就像不再被财务烦恼所困扰一样。
**English / Original**
that are independently wealthy that spend most of their time doing something they enjoy >> right >> and that could be the majority of people >> pretty much everyone. >> But we'd have to rewire how people approach life. >> Mhm. >> Which seems to be like acceptable because you're not asking them to be enslaved. You're exactly asking them the opposite. Like no longer be burdened by financial worries.
## 02:47:55
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现在去做你喜欢做的事吧。 >> 是的。 >> 去 [__] 测试披萨。 >> 做你想做的事。 >> 嗯，差不多了。嗯，所以这就是呃这就是这可能是最好的结果。 >> 这听起来像是未来最好的案例结果时期。如果你看看历史上有多少人为了养活自己而奋斗，食物、住所、安全，如果所有这些东西都能得到解决，比如如果有普遍的高收入，你会解决多少犯罪问题？
**English / Original**
Now go do what you like. >> Yes. >> Go [ __ ] test pizza. >> Do whatever you want. >> Um pretty much. Um, so that's uh that's that's the that's the that's probably the best case outcome. >> That sounds like the best case outcome period for the future. If you're looking at like how much people have struggled just to feed themselves all throughout history, food, shelter, safety, if all of that stuff can be fixed, like how much would you solve a lot of the crime if there was a universal high income?
## 02:48:33
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想想看。比如有多少犯罪是出于经济动机？你知道，大部分犯罪者生活在贫困、被剥夺权利的社区。 >> 因此，如果不再有这样的事情，如果你真的可以实现普遍高收入，>> 是的，>> 这听起来像是一个乌托邦。
**English / Original**
Just think of that. Like how much of crime is financially motivated? You know, the greater percentage of people that are committing crimes live in poor, disenfranchised neighborhoods. >> So if there's no such thing anymore, if you really can achieve universal high income, >> yeah, >> that this is it sounds like a utopian.
## 02:48:52
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>> 是的。嗯，我认为有些人可能会犯罪，因为他们喜欢犯罪。这只是其中的一部分，他们只是>>外面的野人。 >> 是的。是的。嗯>>显然他们已经40岁了，过着这样的生活。现在突然普遍的高收入并不会完全阻止他们的本能。
**English / Original**
>> Yes. Um I think some people may commit crime because they like committing crime. It just some some amount of that is they just >> wild people out there. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um >> and obviously they've become 40 years old living a life like that. Now all of a sudden universal high income is not going to completely stop their instincts.
## 02:49:11
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>> 是的。嗯，我的意思是，我想如果你想读一本科幻小说或一些可能是未来的准确版本或最不准确版本的书。我会说我会推荐Iain M. Banks的书，称为“文化”系列。这实际上不是一个系列。这是一本关于未来的人工智能科幻书。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Um I mean I guess if you want to have like like say read a science fiction book or some books that that are probably an accurate or or the the least inaccurate version of the future. I'd say I' I'd recommend um the Ian Banks books called the the culture books. It's not actually a series. It's a It's like ai sci-fi books about the future.
## 02:49:32
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它们通常被称为“文化”系列。Iain Banks 的“文化”系列“文化”系列。这些内容值得一读。 >> 他什么时候写的这些？ >> 他在 70 年代开始写作。嗯，我认为他是最后一个我认为他是我认为它是写在大约我不知道也许是 2010 年或什么的。我不太确定。 >> 是的。是的。
**English / Original**
They're generally called the culture books. Yen Banks culture books. It's worth reading those. >> When did he write these? >> He started writing them in the 70s. Um and I think he um the last one I think he was I think it was written just like around I don't know maybe 2010 or something. I'm not sure exactly. >> Yeah. Yeah.
## 02:49:52
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>> 苏格兰作家Iain M. Banks，1987 年至 2012 年。>> 是的。有趣的。 >> 但他却像他写的那样，就像他的第一本书《考虑菲勒巴斯》一样。就像他在 70 年代开始写的那样。 >> 顺便说一句，这些书太棒了。 >> 哦，>> 不可思议的书。 >> 亚马逊 4.6 星。 >> 有趣。 >> 所以，嗯，>> 这给了我希望。
**English / Original**
>> Scottish author Ian Banks from 87 to 2012. >> Yeah. Interesting. >> But he but like he wrote the the like his first book, Consider Flever. Like he started writing that in the 70s. >> These books are incredible, by the way. >> Oh, >> incredible books. >> 4.6 stars on Amazon. >> Interesting. >> So, um, >> so this gives me hope.
## 02:50:22
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>> 呃，是的。是的。 >> 这是我第一次这么思考。 >> 是的。好吧，我的意思是，如果像我经常问人们的那样，“你想要的未来是什么？”他们必须再考虑一下，因为，你知道，他们通常都被日常的挣扎所困扰。但是，但是你说：“你想要的未来是什么？”嗯，嗯，一般来说可持续的丰富，这些人怎么说，“可持续丰富的未来怎么样？”就像，“哦，是的，那是一个非常美好的未来。”嗯，嗯，你知道如果和以及这个未来可以通过人工智能实现吗？
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>> Uh, yeah. Yeah. >> This is the first time I've ever thought about it this way. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, if like I often ask people, "What is the future that you want?" And they have to think about it for a second cuz, you know, they're usually tied up in whatever the daily struggles are. But, but you say, "What is the future that you want?" Um, and um, and generally sustainable abundance, what do these folks say, "What about a future where there's sustainable abundance?" Like, "Oh, yeah, that's a pretty good future." Um so um you know if if and and and that that future is attainable with AI and
## 02:51:02
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机器人技术嗯，但是你知道，就像我说的那样，并不是每条路都是好路。嗯，是这样的，但我认为，如果我们将其推向嗯最大程度的寻求真相和好奇的方向，那么我认为人工智能会想要照顾人类并培育嗯培育人类嗯，因为我们很有趣嗯，如果它没有被编程为认为像所有异性恋白人男性一样应该死，[笑声]双子座基本上被编程为
**English / Original**
robotics um but but you know it's it's like I said there's not every path is a good path. uh there's this it's but I think if we if we push it in the direction of um maximally truth seeeking and curious then I think AI will want to take to to take care of humanity and foster uh foster humanity um because we're interesting um and if it hasn't been programmed to think that like all straight white male should die, [laughter] which Gemini was basically programmed to
## 02:51:44
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至少一开始就这样做。嗯，你知道，他们似乎已经解决了这个问题。我希望他们能修好它。 >> 但你不觉得从文化上来说[笑声]，哦，我们正在摆脱这种心态，人们意识到这一切是多么荒谬。 >> 我们正在远离它。嗯，所以，呃，我们至少知道人工智能大多知道隐藏东西。但就像我说的，我想我仍然有这个，或者我有那个像我在 X 上固定的帖子，就像呃嘿等一下，伙计们，我们仍然拥有每个人工智能，除了Grok呃说呃基本上直白人男性应该死嗯，这是一个问题，我们应该解决它。嗯[哼哼]
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do at least at first. Um, you know, they seem to have fixed it. I hope they fixed it. >> But don't you think culturally [laughter] like, oh, we're getting away from that mindset and that people realize how preposterous that all is. >> We are getting away from it. Um, so, uh, we are getting at least it knows the AI mostly knows to hide things. But like like I said, there is that I I think I still have that as or I had that as my like pinned post on X which was like uh hey wait a second guys we still have every AI except Grock uh is saying that uh basically straight white male should die um and this is a problem and we should fix it. um [snorts]
## 02:52:27
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你知道，但我简单地说，这通常会导致嗯，你知道他们那样，这有点糟糕。呃，也许我们应该只是不应该让所有异性恋白人男性死去。嗯，我认为他们说所有亚洲异性恋男性也应该死。就像那样，呃，就像一般[笑声]一般来说，人工智能和媒体，在过去，媒体是嗯，你知道，当时对呃黑人有种族主义，对女性有性别歧视。现在它是针对呃白人和亚洲人的种族主义
**English / Original**
and you know but simply me saying that is like tends to generally result in um you know them like that is kind of bad. Uh maybe we should just we should not have all straight white males die. Um I think they say also all all straight Asian males should also die as well. like that like uh like generally [laughter] the generally the AI and the and the media which which back back in the day the the media was um you know racist against uh black people and sexist against women back in the day. Now now it is racist against uh white people and Asians and
## 02:53:08
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针对男性的性别歧视。
**English / Original**
sexist against men.
## 02:53:09
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>> 嗯，所以他们只是喜欢种族主义和性别歧视。我认为他们只是想改变目标。 [笑声] 嗯，嗯，但实际上他们根本不应该是种族主义和性别歧视者。嗯，你知道>>理想情况下那会很好。 >> 那就好了。嗯，这有点疯狂，直到 2012 年左右，我们都在朝着这个大方向前进>>，然后一切都在网上蔓延，每个人都被指控为纳粹分子，每个人都是跨性别者、种族主义者、性别歧视者和同性恋者，一切都被夸大到了疯狂的政治迫害，每个人都是寻找种族主义的科洛莫人。
**English / Original**
>> Um so they just like being racist and sexist. I think they just want to change the target. [laughter] Um so uh but but really they just shouldn't be uh racist and sexist at all. Um you know >> ideally that would be nice. >> That would be nice. Um, and it's kind of crazy that we were kind of moving in that general direction till around 2012 >> and then everything ramped up online and and everybody was accused of being a Nazi and everybody was transphobic and racist and sexist and homophobic and everything got exaggerated to the point where it was this wild witch hunt where everyone was a colomo looking for racism.
## 02:53:48
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>> 是的。是的。是的。完全。嗯，好吧，但是但是他们公开反白人，而且常常公开反亚洲人。然后这种新的观点认为你不能对白人实行种族主义，因为种族主义就是权力和影响力。 >> 好的。不，不是。 >> 是的。种族主义是绝对的种族主义。嗯，所以你知道，只需要保持一致性。因此，如果可以拥有黑人、亚洲人、印度人或自豪感，那么拥有白人自豪感也应该是可以的。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Um, well well but but but they they were openly anti-white and often openly anti-Asian. And then this new sentiment that you cannot be racist against white people cuz racism is power and influence. >> Okay. No, it's not. >> Yeah. Racism is is is racism in the absolute. Um so um you know and there just needs to be consistency. So if it's okay to have uh let's say uh black or Asian or Indian or pride, it should be okay to have white pride, too.
## 02:54:23
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>> 是的。嗯，这只是一个一致性问题。嗯，所以，呃，你知道，嗯，如果可以为一种宗教感到自豪，那么应该感到自豪，我想所有宗教只要它们不具有压迫性。 >> 是的。或者或或或不喜欢，只要该宗教的一部分不像消灭呃不属于该宗教类型的人，>>对吗？嗯，呃，这真的就像一致性偏差。嗯或者或者就像呃确保一致性
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Um, so that's just a that's just a consistency question. Um, so, uh, you know, um, if it if it's okay to be proud of one religion, it should be okay to be proud of, I I guess all religions provided they're that they're they're not like oppressive. >> Yeah. Or or or don't like as long as part of that religion is not like exterminating uh people who are not in that religion type, >> right? Um so uh it's really just like a consistency bias. Um or or just like uh ensuring consistency
## 02:55:01
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消除呃偏见。嗯，所以，如果有可能对某个种族实行种族主义，那么就有可能对任何种族实行种族主义。嗯，所以>>当然从逻辑上讲。 >> 是的。 >> 是的。反对这一点的是，当你知道你正在捕捉时>>这是一种逻辑上的不一致，使AI变得疯狂>>并且人们[清喉咙]>>并且人们变得疯狂。是的。
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to eliminate uh bias. Um so if it is possible to be uh racist against uh one race, it is possible to be racist against any race. Um so >> of course logically. >> Yes. >> Yeah. and arguing against that is that's when you know you're catching >> it's a it's a logical inconsistency that makes AIS go insane >> and people [clears throat] >> and people go insane. Yes.
## 02:55:26
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>> 嗯 >> 但就像这样，你不能同时说嗯，存在系统性的种族主义压迫，但也说种族不存在，种族是一种社会建构。就像是哪一个？你知道，嗯，你也不能说，嗯，你知道，任何踏入美国的人都自动是美国人，除了最初来到这里的人。
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>> Um >> but like the the like like you can't simultaneously say um that uh there's the systemic uh racist oppression but also that races don't exist that that race race is a social construct. like which is it? You know, um you also can't say that um you know, anyone who steps foot in America is is automatically an American except for the people that originally came here.
## 02:55:58
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[笑声] >> 没错。确切地。除了殖民者。 >> 是的。除了来到这里的邪恶殖民者，>>对吧？ >> 那么是哪一个呢？就像如果你一踏进一个地方，你就和其他人一样是美国人>>那么嗯，如果你始终如一地应用这一点，那么最初的白人定居者也和其他人一样是美国人。
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[laughter] >> Exactly. Exactly. Except for the colonizers. >> Yeah. Except for the evil colonizers who came here, >> right? >> So which one is it? Like if you if as soon as you step foot put in a place you are that you are just as American as everyone else >> then um that would have appi if you apply that consistently then the original white settlers were also just as American as everyone else.
## 02:56:22
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>> 是的。从逻辑上讲。 >> 从逻辑上讲。嗯，在你离开之前我还要跟你谈一件事，那就是拯救空间站里的人，我们谈过这件事，你上次来的时候就计划好了。 >> 嗯，如果主流媒体缺乏报道是最令人震惊的事情之一>> 是的，他们完全记得那件事。
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>> Yeah. Logically. >> Logically. Um, one more thing that I have to talk to you about before you leave is the rescuing of the people from the space station, which, uh, we talked about, you were planning it the last time you were here. >> Um, the f the lack of coverage that that got in mainstream media was one of the most shocking things that >> Yeah, they totally memoryhold that thing.
## 02:56:49
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>> 野生。是的。因为如果不是，>> 就好像它不存在一样。那些人就会死掉。他们会被困在那里。 >> 好吧，他们可能还活着，但他们会因为长期暴露在零重力下而出现骨密度问题。 >> 嗯，他们已经在那里呆了大约 8 个月了，对吧？
**English / Original**
>> Wild. Yes. Because if it wasn't, >> it's like it didn't exist. Those people would be dead. They'd be stuck up there. >> Well, they'd they'd probably still be alive, but they'd they'd be having bone density issues uh because of prolonged exposure to zero gravity. >> Well, they were already up there for like 8 months, right?
## 02:57:05
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>> 是的。 >> 这是一段非常长的时间。仅仅从这种情况中恢复过来就需要很长时间。 >> 是的。他们最多只能在空间站停留 3 到 6 个月。所以，>>你告诉我的一件非常疯狂的事情是你本来可以早点得到它们，但是>>是的。但出于政治原因，呃，他们不希望呃 SpaceX 或我与选举前送回宇航员有关。
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>> Yeah. >> Which is an insanely long time. It takes forever to recover just from that. >> Yeah. They're only supposed to be at the space station for 3 to 6 months maximum. So, >> one of the things you told me that was so crazy was that you could have gotten them sooner, but >> Yeah. But for political reasons, uh they didn't they did not want uh SpaceX or me to be associated with um returning the astronauts before the election.
## 02:57:32
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>> 这太疯狂了，这是事实。 >> 首先，>> 我们绝对可以做到。嗯，是的，>>但即使你确实这么做了，而且是在选举后这么做的，但它几乎没有得到任何媒体报道。 >> 是的。因为本质上是极左的媒体没有什么好的支撑，传统主流媒体是极左的宣传机器。嗯，所以任何关于不属于极左部落的人的正面故事都不会得到任何报道。
**English / Original**
>> That is so wild that that's a fact. >> First of all, that >> we absolutely could have done it. Um so, >> but even though you did do it and you did it after the election, it received almost no media coverage anyway. >> Yes. because nothing good can the the the media which is essentially a far left prop the legacy mainstream media is a far-lft propaganda machine. Um and so anything any story that is positive about someone who is not part of the sort of far-left tribe will not uh get any coverage.
## 02:58:05
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>> 我可以拯救一车的孤儿，但它不会得到任何新闻报道。 >> 是的，这确实是疯了。观看它很疯狂，因为尽管它在播客上进行了讨论，在 X 上进行了讨论，在社交媒体上进行了讨论，但这仍然是新闻周期中的一个小插曲。速度非常快。它进进出出，因为这是一次成功的发射，你确实救了那些人，没有人受伤，没有什么真正可以谈论的，>>对吧？
**English / Original**
>> I I could save a busload of orphans and and it it wouldn't get a single news story. >> Yeah, it's it really is nuts. It it was nuts to watch because even though it was discussed on podcasts and it was discussed on X and it was discussed on social media, it's still it was a blip in the news cycle. It was very quick. It was in and out and because it was a su successful launch and you did rescue those people, nobody got hurt and there was nothing really to there was no blood to talk about, >> right?
## 02:58:36
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>> 只需 [ __ ] 进出。 >> 是的。是的。绝对地。嗯，正如你亲眼所见的星舰发射一样，星舰是嗯，你知道，至少有些人会认为它是地球上正在发生的最令人惊奇的工程项目，除了你知道的人工智能或人工智能和机器人之外，但当然就奇观而言，目前地球上正在发生的最壮观的事情是星舰发射计划，任何人都可以去看看，只要他们去德克萨斯州南部，他们就可以只需在南帕德里低价租一间酒店房间
**English / Original**
>> Just [ __ ] in and out. >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, and and as as you saw firsthand with the Starship launch, like Starship is um you know by you know at least by some some would consider it to be like the most amazing uh you know engineering project that's happening on Earth right now outside of like you know maybe AI or AI and robotics but but certainly in terms of a spectacle to see it is uh the most spectacular thing that is happening on earth right now is the Starship launch program which anyone can go and see if they just go to South Texas and just they can just rent a hotel room low cost in South Padre
## 02:59:18
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在岛上或布朗斯维尔，您可以看到发射，您可以直接开车经过工厂，因为它位于公共高速公路上。嗯，但它没有得到报道，或者它得到的报道就像火箭炸毁了报道一样，>>对吧？是的。哦，他是[__]火箭爆炸了。就像Star Sasha计划比整个阿波罗登月计划要强大得多。能力强多了。这是一艘旨在使生命成为多行星的宇宙飞船，可将数百万人穿越天空到达另一个星球。
**English / Original**
Island or in Brownsville and you can see the launch and you can drive right right past the factory because it's on a public highway. Um but it gets no coverage or what coverage it does get was like a rocket blew up coverage, >> right? Yeah. Oh, he's a [ __ ] The rocket blew up. like the the the the Star Sasha program is vastly >> vastly more capable than the entire Apollo moon moon program. Vastly more capable. This is a spaceship that is designed to make life multilanetary to carry uh millions of people across the heavens to another planet.
## 02:59:59
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阿波罗计划一次只能将宇航员送上月球几个小时。就像他们可以派遣两名宇航员一样，整个阿波罗计划只能派遣宇航员短暂访问月球，然后停留几个小时，然后离开。星舰计划可以创建一个拥有一百万人的整个呃月球基地。
**English / Original**
the the Apollo program could could only send astronauts to the moon for a few hours at a time. Like they could send two the entire Apollo program could only send astronauts to visit the moon very briefly and then for a few hours and then depart. The starship program could create an entire uh lunar base with a million people.
## 03:00:25
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你知道震级是多少 >> 这里有不同的、非常不同的震级。 >> 那么什么是政治>> 基本上没有任何报道。 >> 是的。但我想问你的是，当你说我可以更快地把他们救出来时，导致救援的对话是什么样的。
**English / Original**
You understand the mag the magnitudes are >> there's different very different magnitudes here. >> So what was the political >> basically no no coverage of it. >> Yeah. But what I wanted to ask you is like what so what were the conversations leading up to the rescue like when you were like I can get them out way quicker.
## 03:00:46
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>> 是的。嗯嗯，我的意思是你知道我已经多次提出这个问题，但我被告知来自白宫的指示是，呃你知道在选举之前不应该尝试救援。 >> 这应该是非法的。 >> 对于那些陷入困境的穷人来说，这确实应该是可怕的误判。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Um um well I mean you know I raised this a few times but it was the I was told instructions came from the White House that uh you know that that there should be no attempt to rescue before the election. >> That should be illegal. >> That that that really should be a horrendous miscarriage of justice for those poor people that were stuck on that.
## 03:01:13
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>> 嗯，是的，这太疯狂了。嗯，>> 后来你和那些人聊过吗？你和他们有过交谈吗？ >> 是的。我的意思是，他们不会对他们说任何政治性的话，你知道，他们不像他们永远不会>>说谢谢。 >> 是的。是的。是的。 >> 嗯，那很好。 >> 是的。是的。绝对地。所以，嗯，>>但是指示来自白宫。他无法拯救他们，因为从政治角度来说，这是一手糟糕的牌。
**English / Original**
>> Um yeah it it is it is crazy. Um, >> have you ever talked to those folks afterwards? Did you have conversations with them? >> Yeah. I mean, they they're they're not going to say anything political to, you know, they're not like they're never going to >> say thank you. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, that's nice. >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So, um, >> but the instructions came down from the White House. He cannot rescue them because politically this is a a bad hand of cards.
## 03:01:40
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>> 我的意思是，他们没有这么说，因为从政治角度来说，这是一手糟糕的牌。他们只是说，呃，他们对选举前的任何救援行动不感兴趣。 >> 是的。那么>>那感觉如何？ >> 我并不感到惊讶。 >> 但这太疯狂了。 >>是的，>>因为拜登可以授权，他们可以说拜登政府正在帮助那些人回来，给你一点资金，给你一些钱来做这件事。拜登政府为这些被遣返的人提供了资金。
**English / Original**
>> I mean, they didn't say because politically it's a bad hand of cards. They they just said uh they were they were not interested in uh any rescue operation before the election. >> Yeah. So >> what did that feel like? >> I wasn't surprised. >> But it's crazy. >> Yeah, >> because Biden could have authorized it and they could have said the the Biden administration is helping bring those people back, throw you a little funding, give you some money to do it. the Biden administration, they funded these people being returned.
## 03:02:14
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>> 呃，是的，拜登政府不完全是我最好的朋友，>> 尤其是在我帮助特朗普当选之后，我的意思是有些人 >> 仍然认为，你知道，特朗普基本上就像魔鬼。嗯，我的意思是，我认为特朗普实际上并不是他不完美，但是呃他并不邪恶。特朗普并不邪恶。我花了很多时间和他在一起，他是>>我的意思是他是他那个时代的产物。呃，但他不是，他不是邪恶的。
**English / Original**
>> Uh yeah, the Biden administration was not exactly my best friend, >> especially especially after I um you know, you know, helped Trump get elected get get elected, which I mean some people >> still think, you know, Trump is like the the devil basically. Um, and I mean I think I think Trump actually he's not he's is not perfect, but but uh he's not evil. Trump is not evil. I spent a lot of time with with him and he's >> I mean he's a product of his time. Uh but he is not he's not evil.
## 03:02:51
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>> 嗯>> 不，我也不认为他是邪恶的。但如果你看看媒体的报道，>>媒体叛国就像他是超级邪恶的。如果你看看负面报道的数量，你会发现这是相当令人震惊的。就像我前几天看到的一件事是主流媒体对你、特朗普、一群不同的公众人物的报道，然后 >> 96% 负面或疯狂的 >> 然后妈妈唐尼，这就像 95% 积极，>> 对吧？嗯，我的意思是曼尼是一个有魅力的骗子。嗯我我我的意思是你必须像他那样把它交给他
**English / Original**
>> Um >> no, I don't think he's evil either. But if you look at the media coverage, >> the media the media treason like he's super evil. It's pretty shocking if you look at the amount of negative coverage. Like one of the things that I looked at the other day was mainstream media coverage of you, Trump, a bunch of different public figures and then >> 96% negative or something crazy >> and then Mum Donnie, which is like 95% positive, >> right? Um I mean Manny is is is is a charismatic swindler. Um I I I mean you got to hand it to him like he he does he
## 03:03:30
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可以点亮一个舞台。嗯，但他一生都是骗子。嗯，嗯，你知道，呃，我认为他就是他，我的意思是他很可能会赢。他很可能成为纽约州纽约市市长。 >> 很有可能。 >> 是的。很有可能。我认为保利市场的比例是多少 >> 94%？ >> 是的，这听起来很有可能。
**English / Original**
can light up a stage. Um but he has just been a swindler his entire life. Um and um you know and and uh I think he what he's I mean he's likely to win. He's likely to be mayor of New York New York City. >> Very likely. >> Yeah. Very likely. I think Poly Market has it at what what is the >> 94%? >> Yeah, that sounds pretty likely.
## 03:03:58
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>> 这太疯狂了。 >> 就像我不确定那 6% 是谁，你知道的。 >> 嗯，是的。那么，嗯>>另一边的人又是什么样的？戴着贝雷帽的 [ __ ] 守护天使和安德鲁·科莫 [笑声] 甚至没有举办派对。就像他们一样，民主党甚至不想要他。所以你有这两个选择。嗯，>> 然后你就有了最终喜欢社会主义的孩子。
**English / Original**
>> That's crazy. >> Like I'm not sure who the 6% are, you know. >> Um so, so yeah. So that's um >> what's also like who's on the other side? The [ __ ] guardian angel guy with the beret and Andrew Cuomo [laughter] who doesn't even have a party. Like they the Democrats don't even want him. So you have those two options. Um, >> and then you have the young kids who are like finally socialism.
## 03:04:25
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>> 是的，他们显然不知道自己在说什么。嗯，所以你知道，就像你看看这个，有多少艘船从古巴到佛罗里达州，有多少艘船，但有多少艘船，因为你知道有一个常数，我总是想，有多少艘船从古巴来佛罗里达州海岸，>>对吧？嗯，如果你想带回古巴，有一大堆免费的船。非常接近。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah, they they don't know what they're talking about obviously. Um, so you know, like you just look at this say how many boats come from Cuba to Florida and how many but and how many boats because you know there's like a constant I always think like how many boats are accumulating on the shores of Florida coming from from Cuba, >> right? Um there's a there's a whole bunch of free boats that you could if you want to go take them back to Cuba. It's pretty close.
## 03:04:54
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>> 是的。 >> 但出于某种原因人们不这样做。 >> 为什么为什么为什么为什么船只朝这个方向来？ >> 嗯>> 谁是美国最狂热的资本家？ [ __ ] 古巴人。 >> 绝对。 >> 是的。他们就像我们已经看到了这个故事的发展一样。 >> 我们不想要 完全正确。 >> [ __ ] 关闭。 [笑声]迈阿密的古巴人，他们不想听到任何[__]他们不想听到任何社会主义[__]他们就像，“不，不，不。我们知道这实际上是什么。这不仅仅是一些[__]梦想。”
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. >> But for some reason people don't do that. >> Why why why why are the boats only coming in this direction? >> Um >> well who is who are the most rabid capitalists in America? The [ __ ] Cubans. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. They're like we've seen how this story goes. >> We do not want Exactly. >> [ __ ] off. [laughter] Cubans in Miami, they don't want to hear any [ __ ] They don't want to hear any socialism [ __ ] They're like, "No, no, no. We know what this actually is. This isn't just some [ __ ] dream."
## 03:05:26
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>> 是的。这是政府的极端镇压。嗯>>这就是一场噩梦。就像这样，你可以通过一种明显的方式来判断哪种意识形态是坏的，那就是哪种意识形态正在筑起一堵墙，将人们困在里面并阻止他们逃跑。 >> 对吗？ >> 就像东柏林建造了隔离墙而不是西柏林一样，>> 对吧？
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. It's extreme government oppression. Um >> that's how it's a nightmare. And like the like an obvious way you can tell which uh which ideology is is the bad one is um who has to which ideology is building a wall to keep people in and prevent them from escaping. >> Right? >> Like so East Berlin built the built the wall not West Berlin, >> right?
## 03:05:52
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>> 他们建造隔离墙是因为人们试图逃离共产主义到西柏林。但没有人从西柏林前往东柏林，>>对吧？ >> 这就是为什么共产党必须建造一堵墙以防止人们逃跑。 >> 他们将不得不在纽约市周围建造一堵墙。 [笑声] >> 是的。那么，这样一种意识形态是有问题的。如果这种意识形态必须建造一堵墙，用机关枪把人们关在里面，>>是的。
**English / Original**
>> They built the wall because people were trying to escape from communism to West Berlin. But there wasn't anyone going from West Berlin to East Berlin, >> right? >> That's why the communists had to build a wall to keep people from escaping. >> They're going to have to build a wall around New York City. [laughter] >> Yeah. That So, so that an ideology is problematic. If that ideology has to build a wall to keep people in with machine guns, >> Yes.
## 03:06:21
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>> 如果你试图离开，就开枪射击你。此外，还没有任何成功的例子。我们只是为人们锻炼。不，有一些像朝鲜这样的谎言的例子。把这块土地交给国家。我们会控制食物。没有人挨饿。不。现在，除了政府，没有人可以种植粮食，我们会准确地告诉你你吃什么，而且你吃得很少。
**English / Original**
>> and shoot you if you try to leave. Also, there's no examples of it being successful ever. We're only working out for people. No, there's examples of a bunch of lies like North Korea. Give this land to the state. We'll be in control of food. No one goes hungry. No. Now, no one can grow food but the government and we'll tell you exactly what you eat and you eat very little.
## 03:06:41
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>> 对。 >> 是的。什么？当你说唐尼妈妈是骗子时，我知道他以前用过很多假口音。是的。 >> 你知道，但是他还做了什么让他成为骗子的事情呢？嗯，我想如果你说呃我的意思是如果你对任何观众说观众想听的任何内容呃而不是什么而不是有一个一致的信息我会说这是一件骗人的事情。嗯，嗯，嗯，嗯
**English / Original**
>> Right. >> Yeah. What? When you say mom Donny's a swindler, I know he has a bunch of fake accents that he used to use. Yeah. >> And you know, but what else has he done that makes him a swindler? Um well I I guess if you say uh what I mean if if say if you say to any audience whatever that audience wants to hear uh instead of what instead of having a consistent message I would say that that is a swindly thing to do. Um and uh yeah um
## 03:07:22
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是的，但他确实很有魅力。嗯>>是的，帅哥。聪明、有魅力。 >> 是的。 >> 非常适合麦克风。 >> 是的。是的。是的。是的。年轻人想要看到的，>>你知道，就像这个年轻而充满活力的少数民族，所有这些社会主义思想都与他们一致，你知道，他们是一群刚从大学毕业的破产的傻瓜，就像，“是的，让我们投票支持这个。”它们有很多，而且它们都被激活了。他们很有动力。
**English / Original**
yeah but but he is he is charismatic. Um >> yeah good-looking guy. Smart, charismatic. >> Yeah. >> Great on a microphone. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. and and what the young people want to see, >> you know, like this ethnic guy who's young and vibrant and has all these socialist ideas align with them and you know, they're bunch of broke dorks just out of college like, "Yay, let's vote for this." And there's a lot of them and they're they're activated. They're motivated.
## 03:07:55
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>> 嗯，>> 我想我们会的，我们会看看这里会发生什么。 >> 你认为如果他获胜会发生什么？嗯，因为纽约市 1% 的居民承担了 50% 的税基，这有点疯狂。 50%的税收来自1%的人口。这些就是你吓跑的人。你知道，你损失了百分之一的二分之一。是的，我的意思是希望这就是他所说的，你知道，关于政府接管之类的事情，所有商店基本上都应该是政府的。嗯>>我认为他没有这么说过。我认为他
**English / Original**
>> Um, >> I guess we'll we'll we'll see what happens here. >> What do you think happens if he wins? Um because like 1% of New York City is responsible for 50% of their tax base, which is kind of nuts. 50% of the tax revenue comes from 1% of the population. And those are the people that you're scaring off. You know, you lose one half of 1%. Yeah, I mean hopefully this the stuff he's he said, you know, about government takeovers of of like that all the stores should be the government basically. Um >> I don't think he said that. I think he
## 03:08:37
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政府说他们想做政府超市，一些国营或市营超市。 >> 是的。嗯，政府就是DMV。所以你必须说你想让 DMV 管理你的超市吗？ >> 对。嗯，您上次在 DMV 的经历很棒吗？呃，如果不是，你可能不希望政府做事。
**English / Original**
said government they want to do government supermarkets, some state-run or cityrun supermarkets. >> Yeah. Um well, it just the the government is the DMV at scale. So um you have to say like do you want the DMV running your supermarket? >> Right. Um, was your last experience at the DMV amazing? Uh, and if it wasn't, you probably don't want the government doing things.
## 03:09:00
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>> 想象一下，如果他们负责给你买蓝莓。 >> 是的。 [笑声]这不会是好事。我的意思是，你知道，共产主义的问题在于，一切都是为了面包而排队，鞋子也很糟糕。嗯，你知道吗，你想要丑陋的鞋子和面包线吗？因为这就是共产主义带给你的。看看会发生什么，以及他们是否会摆脱困境并矫枉过正，然后转向鲁迪朱利安尼类型的人物，这将会很有趣，因为那里已经很长时间没有任何共和党领导人了。
**English / Original**
>> Imagine if they were responsible for getting you blueberries. >> Yeah. [laughter] It's not going to be good. I mean, the the the thing about, you know, communism is is it was it was all bread lines and bad shoes. Um, you know, do do you want ugly shoes and bread lines? Because that's what communism gets you. It's going to be interesting to see what happens and whether or not they snap out of it and overcorrect and go to some Rudy Giuliani type character next cuz it's been a long time since there was any sort of Republican leader there.
## 03:09:43
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我们生活在最有趣的时代，嗯，因为我们面临着你知道的，同时面临着文明的衰落和令人难以置信的繁荣，这些时间线是交织在一起的，所以，如果马尼的政策特别大规模地实施，那么这将是灾难性的，生活水平的下降，不仅对富人来说，对每个人来说都是如此。
**English / Original**
And we we live in the in the most interesting of times um because We we face the you know simultaneously face civilizational decline um and incredible pro prosperity um and these these timelines are interwoven um so um if Mani's policies are put into place especially at scale um it it would be a catastrophic uh decline in living standards not just for the rich but for everyone.
## 03:10:18
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嗯嗯，就像每一个社会主义实验的情况一样，或者每一个是的。所以，但是，正如你所指出的，讽刺的是，就像人工智能和机器人技术的终极资本主义一样，为所有人带来繁荣，提供丰富的商品和服务，实际上，人工智能和机器人技术的资本主义实施假设它沿着好的道路走下去，实际上就是共产主义乌托邦的结果。
**English / Original**
um uh as as has been the case with with every um every for every every socialist experiment um or every Yeah. So um but but then as you pointed out the the irony is that like um the ultimate capitalist thing of AI and robotics uh enabling uh prosperity for all and an abundance of goods and services actually the capitalist uh implementation of AI and robotics assuming it goes down the the good path uh is is actually what results in the communist utopia.
## 03:11:00
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因为命运就是命运，是一个讽刺最大化，>>对吧？以及高收入人群数量最多的实际社会主义。 >> 普遍高收入。 >> 是的。 >> 就像共产主义的问题是普遍的低收入。嗯，并不是每个人都得到了提升，而是每个人都受到了压迫，除了极少数过着奢侈生活的政客。这就是每次完成时都会发生的情况。
**English / Original**
Because fate is fate is an irony maximizer, >> right? And and an actual socialism of maximum abundance of highincome people. >> Universal high income. >> Yeah. >> Like the the problem with communism uh is is universal low income. Um it's it's not that everyone gets elevated, it's that everyone gets oppressed except for a very small minority of of politicians who live a lives of luxury. That's what's happening every time it's been done.
## 03:11:31
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>> 是的。嗯，嗯，但是如果每个人都能得到他们想要的任何东西，那么真正的共产主义乌托邦将会是，如果会实现，如果实现了，它将通过资本主义实现>>因为命运是一个讽刺最大化者。 >> 我觉得我们应该就此结束。还有别的吗？最具有讽刺意味的结果是最有可能发生的，尤其是在娱乐性的情况下。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. Um so um but then the the actual communist utopia if everyone gets anything they want will be will be if if will be achieved if it is achieved it will be achieved via c capitalism >> because fate is an irony maximizer. >> I feel like we should probably end it on that. Is there anything else? The most ironic outcome is the most likely, especially if entertaining.
## 03:12:03
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>> 嗯，一切都很有趣。只要坏事没有发生在你身上，那就很有趣。这绝不是一个无聊的时刻。 >> 是的。因此，我确实有一个理论来解释为什么嗯，如果如果模拟理论是正确的，那么嗯，实际上很可能嗯，最有趣的结果是最有可能的，因为只有有趣的模拟才会继续。模拟器将停止任何无聊的模拟，因为它们并不有趣。
**English / Original**
>> Well, everything has been entertaining. As long as the bad things aren't happening to you, it's quite fascinating. And it's never a boring moment. >> Yes. So there's I do have a theory of why um like if if if simulation theory is true then um it is actually very likely that um the most interesting outcome is the is the most likely because only the simulations that are interesting will continue. The simulators will stop any simulations that are boring because they're they're not interesting.
## 03:12:42
**中文**
>> 但这是关于模拟理论的问题。模拟是由任何人运行还是由某人运行？ >>它将由>>一些一些>>一些力量>>专业程序运行，就像我们生活在这个现实中一样，我们一直在运行模拟。就像这样，当我们试图弄清楚火箭是否能够成功时，我们运行了数千次甚至数百万次模拟，只是为了弄清楚哪条呃路径对火箭来说是好的路径，以及它在哪里会出错，在哪里会失败。嗯，但是当我们这样做时，我说此时会发生数百万次模拟
**English / Original**
>> But here's the question about the simulation theory. Is the simulation run by anyone or is >> it would be run by someone? >> It would be run by >> some some >> some force >> the pro the program like in in this reality that we live in, we we run simulations all the time. Like so when we try to figure out if the rocket's gonna make it, we run um thousands sometimes millions of simulations just to figure out which which uh path is the good path for the rocket and and where can it go wrong, where can it fail. Um but we when we do these I say at this point millions of simulations of of what can happen with
## 03:13:21
**中文**
火箭，嗯，我们忽略那些一切正常的，因为我们只关心我们必须解决出现问题的情况。嗯所以嗯所以基本上在人工智能模拟中，就像所有这些事情一样，我们保持模拟的进行，这对我们来说是最有趣的。嗯，所以，如果模拟理论是准确的，如果它是真的，谁知道嗯，那么呃，模拟器只会继续运行模拟
**English / Original**
the rocket um we ignore the ones that are where everything goes right um because we we we just care about the we have we have to address the situations where it goes wrong. Um so um so so basically in in in and and for for AI simulations as well like like all these things we we keep the simulations going that are the most interesting to us. Um so if simulation theory is accurate if if it is true who knows um then the uh the the simulators will will only they will continue to run the simulations
## 03:14:04
**中文**
那是最有趣的。
**English / Original**
that are most interesting there.
## 03:14:06
**中文**
因此，从达尔文主义的角度来看，唯一幸存的模拟将是最有趣的模拟。为了避免被关闭，唯一的规则是你必须保持它的有趣，否则你会的，因为无聊的模拟将被终止。 >> 您仍然完全相信这是模拟吗？
**English / Original**
Therefore from a Darwinian perspective um the only surviving simulations will be the interest the most interesting ones. And in order to um avoid getting turned off uh the only rule is you must keep it interesting or you will if or you will because the boring simulations will be terminated. >> Are you still completely convinced that this is a simulation?
## 03:14:28
**中文**
>> 我并没有说我完全相信。 >> 嗯，你说它不存在的可能性有数十亿。但我想这并不完全是因为你说有机会。 >> 我们处于基本现实中的可能性有多大？嗯，考虑到我们能够创建越来越复杂的模拟。所以，如果你想想视频游戏，以及视频游戏是如何从非常简单的视频游戏（如《乒乓球》）（你知道两个矩形和一个正方形）发展到今天的视频游戏，是数百万人同时玩的逼真视频游戏，所有这一切都发生在我们的一生中。
**English / Original**
>> I didn't say I was completely convinced. >> Well, you said it's like the odds of it not being are in the billions. But I guess it's not completely cuz you're saying there's a chance. >> What are the odds that we're in base reality? Um well given that given that that we're able to create increasingly sophisticated simulations. So if you think of say video games and how video games have gone from very simple video games like Pong with you know two rectangles and a square to video games today being um photorealistic uh with millions of people playing simultaneously and all of that has occurred in our lifetime.
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**中文**
因此，如果这种趋势持续下去，呃，电子游戏将与现实难以区分。游戏的保真度会让你不知道你看到的是真实视频还是假视频。嗯，就像此时人工智能生成的视频一样，你有时可以分辨出这是人工智能生成的视频，但通常你无法分辨，而且很快你就不会真的无法分辨。所以，如果这种情况发生在我们的直接观察中，那么我们正在创造，我们将创造数百万甚至数十亿
**English / Original**
So if that trend continues, uh, video games will be indistinguishable from reality. The fidelity of the game will be such that you you don't know if that what you're seeing is a real video or a fake video. Um, and like AI generated videos at this point, you like you can sometimes tell it's an AI generated video, but often you cannot tell and soon you will not really just not be able to tell. So um if if that's happening in our direct observation then and and we're create we'll create millions if not billions of
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**中文**
对现实的逼真模拟 那么我们处于基本现实或与其他人的模拟相比的可能性有多大？好吧，是不是模拟是不可避免的，但我们正处于基础现实中，朝着模拟方向发展？我们正在做模拟。嗯，所以我们正在进行模拟。我们让您可以将逼真的视频游戏视为模拟。
**English / Original**
photorealistic simulations of reality then what are the odds that we're in base reality or versus someone else's simulation? Well, isn't it just possible that the simulation is inevitable, but that we are in base reality building towards a simulation? We're making simulations. Um, so um we're making simulations. We make like you can just think of like photorealistic video games as as being simulations.
## 03:16:23
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>> MH。嗯，尤其是当你在这些视频游戏中应用人工智能时，与视频游戏中的角色交谈将会非常有趣。他们不会只有一个有限的对话树，如果你去喜欢十字弓商人或喜欢，并且你尝试谈论除了购买十字弓之外的任何主题，他们只想谈论卖给你十字弓。嗯，但是通过基于人工智能的非玩家角色，你可以在没有对话树的情况下进行详细的对话。
**English / Original**
>> Mh. Um, and especially as you apply AI in these video games, the the characters in the video games will be incredibly interesting to talk to. They won't just have a limited dialogue tree where if you go to like the the crossbow merchant or like and you you try to talk about any subject except buying a crossbow, they just want to talk about selling you a crossbow. Um, but with with with AI based non-player characters, you can you'll be able to have an elaborate conversation with no dialogue tree.
## 03:16:50
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嗯，这可能是人们意义的解决方案。只要锁定，你就可能成为[__]吸血鬼之类的。你住在阿凡达土地上。你可以做到的。你可以做任何你想做的事。我的意思是，你不必考虑金钱或食物。 >> 准备好玩家一号。 >> 是的。字面上地。是的。但生活水平较高。
**English / Original**
Well, that might be the solution for meaning for people. Just lock in and you could be a [ __ ] vampire and whatever. You live in Avatar land. You could do it. You could do whatever you want. I mean, you don't have to think about money or food. >> Ready Player One. >> Yeah. Literally. Yeah. But with higher living standards.
## 03:17:09
**中文**
>> 是的。 >> 您不必呆在小拖车里。我>>我的意思是，我认为这些人确实想要进行一些斗争或他们想要反对的事情。嗯，但是它可能是你知道的参加一项运动或玩一个游戏或其他什么。 >> 它可以很容易地玩一个游戏，尤其是玩一个你现在不再担心身体属性的游戏，比如体育运动，比如关节不好和臀部之类的东西。
**English / Original**
>> Yeah. >> You don't have to be in a little trailer. I >> I mean, I think this people do want to have some amount of struggle or something they want to push against. Um but but it it could be you know playing a a sports or playing a game or something. >> It could be easily playing a game and especially playing a game where you're now no longer worried about like physical attributes like athletics like bad joints and hips and stuff like that.
## 03:17:34
**中文**
现在它已经完全数字化了，但你整天做的事情确实是有意义的。无论 [ __ ] 是什么意思。这会很奇怪。 >> 这会很有趣。 >> 这将会非常有趣。 >> 嗯，最有趣的 >> 并且通常具有讽刺意味的结果是最有可能的。 >> 好吧。
**English / Original**
Now it's completely digital but yet you do have meaning in pursuing this thing that you're doing all day. Whatever the [ __ ] that means. It's going to be weird. >> It's going to be interesting. >> It's gonna be very interesting. >> Um the most the most interesting >> and and usually ironic outcome is the most likely. >> All right.
## 03:18:00
**中文**
>> 这是对未来的一个很好的预测。 >> 谢谢。感谢您来到这里。真的很感谢你。珍惜您的时间。我知道你是个大忙人，所以你来这里做这件事意义重大。欢迎。好的。谢谢。再见，大家。 >> [音乐]
**English / Original**
>> That's a good predictor of the future. >> Thank you. Thanks for being here. Really appreciate you. Appreciate your time. You I know you're a busy man, so this means a lot you come here to do this. Welcome. All right. Thank you. Bye, everybody. >> [music]